<p>I was also going to suggest U. Rochester for its open curriculum and size, which to me is ideal. But U. Rochester has its own music school, the renowned Eastman, so I don't know if a non music major at Rochester would have flute opportunities. That might not even matter to your daughter. It's certainly worth a look.</p>
<p>Thanks so much! This at least gives us some schools to research. There are quite a few listed that she hadn't considered. Crew was not a requirement so if anyone has any other suggestions without a crew team, it would be welcomed! </p>
<p>For the match schools we originally were thinking of Northeastern and BU. DD's biggest concern for NU is the intern program which she is worried that the campus may be more a commuter feel due to students that are on/off campus for jobs. Then for BU is that there would be no sense of community as it is part of the city. She has been directed to NYU by her college counselor numberous times (she is strongly interested in fashion and marketing) and I wanted her to look at that, but once again she is worried about the sense of community on the campus. Thanks again!</p>
<p>Sounds like many of you are familiar with east coast competition regarding test scores. The second ACT test yesterday went much better than the first sitting (29) for dd (we, of course, have yet to see scores).
Question: What type of ACT score would she need to be competitve at the schools such as Vassar, Wesleyan, Tufts, Smith, Brandeis, Amherst?
Thanks again.</p>
<p>Per Princeton Review 2008 -- composite ranges for these schools are:</p>
<p>Vassar: 29-31
Wesleyan: 28-32
Tufts: 29-32
Smith: 25-29
Brandeis: 27-32
Amherst: 29 - 33</p>
<p>Brown is 27-33. George Washington University is 25-30. University of Rochester (mid 50% range, from their web site) is 28-32.</p>
<p>Fasion and marketing? </p>
<p>Marymount University in Arlington VA.</p>
<p>Thanks, I was thinking the scores would have to be higher than the mid-50% but sounds like we are talking trying to be in the upper portion or higher of the mid-50% which makes sense.</p>
<p>Fashion and Marketing...what about Marist?</p>
<p>A school strong in fashion and marketing will not be much like Brown.</p>
<p>Most undergrad business programs (which is where Marketing is usually housed) have fairly specific course requirements. While there is some flexibility, there are usually quite a few mandatory subjects.</p>
<p>If she really liked the feel of Brown, she should aim towards a liberal arts education. Maybe she can get a summer internship at a fashion company or retailer to see if it's something she'd really like. </p>
<p>Most of the large fashion manufacturers and retailer buying and store management programs hire liberal arts grads ...unless she specifically wants to do designing. There are some liberal arts grads in the fashion design field....but most have had some academic or on the job training in design.</p>
<p>Yes, this is actually the path she wants to follow. As she puts it "I will probably change my mind over the next four years anyway". I have a good friend (like a sister to me) that is an Admission Rep at FIDM and she even told her to go get a liberal arts degree after numberous discussions. I think she would like to intern/work in a big city, so that is the draw to city life.</p>
<p>What about Drew? I'm not sure about their majors...but they have tons of internship opportunities in NYC.</p>
<p>I'm glad someone posted the ACT scores, since the reaction here is always to say that one's scores are too low. As you can see, a 29 was enough to get many kids into those schools; perhaps not an asset, but not much of a liability either.</p>
<p>An ACT of 29 may have gotten some kids in but also kept some out. Two of my daughters applied to Tufts. Typical profile with all AP's, committment to several activities, rigorous course load, music, ACT 31, SAT 1430 waitlist. 2nd daughter pretty much the same but a bit more interesting profile and ACT 31, SAT 1490 rejected. Neither started an orphanage in Peru. About 5 others from our school with similar packages maybe 1 waitlist and all the rest rejections. If I were the counselor at our school I would tell kids not to waste their time on Tufts. The chemistry isn't there. 1st daughter above applied to Vassar-another waitlist.</p>
<p>Bluejay, amazing how tough things are, and particularly for girls at some schools (like Vassar). I hope your daughters are happy where they landed! I'm sure they would do any school proud.</p>
<p>Smith College no longer requires ACT or SAT scores for US applicants, only for international applicants.</p>
<p>Google is very useful. You can search college east coast fashion merchandising and find lots of information. I'd bet you can even add crew although you might get that manufacturer. I found my kid's dream school by googling for one of her sports. She's a thrilled freshman now.</p>
<p>I have one D who was cox for a team that practiced on the Charles. Your post brought back fond memories!</p>
<p>^^ you could add "rowing" to the search instead of "crew" I think that is what it is called more often at the college level.</p>
<p>Good luck to OP's D next month! My D will be there also.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the great conversations! I agree that this is all so sad about the test scores and GPA's. I would have thought I had died and gone to heaven for her scores and yet I walked right into my first choice college and didn't give it a second thought. We really need to focus on schools where she is on the top end of the numbers from the sounds of the most recent posts.
PS: She did make Finalist status for the Qwest Leadership Community Award as one of 6 girls from our state and will be honored at a professional football game next month! Thanks again for all the input!</p>
<p>Some northeast, urban schools with women's crew are George Washington in DC, Trinity College in Hartford, Holy Cross in Worcester, Boston College and Brandeis, and as others have mentioned, Smith (although Northampton isn't really urban. it's a fun college town). She might also consider McGill in Montreal. If your daughter really likes Brown and has great grades, I wouldn't discourage her from applying---they do take students with a wider range of test scores than some other very selective schools.</p>
<p>I'm probably too late, but wanted to with the OPs daughter good luck in the race on Sunday. My D will be rowing there also for the first time, should be exciting! Hope the college touring went well also, will be interesting in hearing a trip report when you get home.</p>
<p>William & Mary, Duke, Georgetown would all be a good fit. Davidson as well but it is a little smaller.</p>