<p>Michigan's 2005 freshman class profile:</p>
<p>Middle 50th percentile of the class:
- ACT Composite of 2631
- SAT I Total of 12401400
- Unweighted high school GPA of 3.63.9
..... 22% with a 4.0 GPA
..... 44.4% with 3.9 or higher GPA</p>
<p>and you are out-of-state. Does it look like a safety to you?</p>
<p>Btw, Michigan only counts 10th and 11th grades for GPA (only core courses unweighed and no plus/minus). What is your GPA again?</p>
<p>Thanks. One more question.</p>
<p>How would not applying until November 20th affect my chances at Umich? Like about how many percentage points would my chances drop compared to applying October 30th. </p>
<p>According to US News, the 04' accept percentage was 62%.</p>
<p>The 50% SAT scores in 04' were 675 M 630 CR.
Meaning i'm above most applicants in both SAT sections even if i don't improve at all on my retake.</p>
<p>My GPA: 3.53, US News Average GPA: 3.7
Although I expect my course difficulty level is well above the average applicant's. My counselor has already told me she'll indicate that i took the hardest course load possible at my school.</p>
<p>So based on transcript estimations and SATs alone, i would say i'm at about the 65th percentile of applicants. </p>
<p>If the 50th percentile appilcant has a 62% chance at admission, my chances are over 70%. BUT, if you factor in a 'late' application (although still over a month before the final deadline), will Umich still be a safety?</p>
<p>Didn't read GoBlue's post before i posted.
Well dropping by freshman gpa would drop my overall GPA to around a 3.37, yikes. But if i'm still in the top 10% of the class, and have SAT scores above most applicants, and am in the Honors Society, would adcoms realize my GPA can't be compared with applicants from other schools?</p>
<p>P.S. Keep in mind Umich accepted almost 2/3 students that applied in 04'</p>
<p>Michigan is a state school. Only 35% are allotted for out-of-state and the OOS pool is usually stronger ... This is the space you are competing in. So forget about the average statistics, unless you are applying to your own state school.</p>
<p>For Michigan, grades and class rank are weighed more than standardized test scores. And they do consider the rigor of your curriculum. However, 90% of the freshman enrolled were in the top 10% of their class.</p>
<p>Oct 30th is not a magic date as there is no early admission for Michigan. Applying early will surely help your chances ... and there are quite a few people submitting their application as early as Sept or early Oct (check out the Michigan sub-forum).</p>
<p>Don't waste time figuring out your chances based on the average statistics. Apply as early as you can ... but don't be surprised if you are deferred.</p>
<p>Here are some safety schools to consider:</p>
<p>UConn
University of New Hampshire
University of Maryland
Rutgers</p>
<p>Here are some that may be a match/ borderline saftey:</p>
<p>University of Rochester
William and Mary
Boston College</p>
<p>Reaches/Match:</p>
<p>Dartmouth
UPenn
Carnegie Mellon
NYU</p>
<p>FlyinV</p>
<p>I think wavelength is on the mark. Your top 3 schools are elite and thus must be considered reaches with acceptance rate significantly below 50%. That doesn't mean you shouldn't go for it but you need more solid matches and at least one sure safety. UMich for out of state is a reach/match for you. I understand what you are saying about UConn so look elsewhere. I think Rutgers would be a good match for your academic interests and would be a clear solid match as an out of stater (it would be a safety if you were in state). U MD is a match not a safety as an out of stater. Penn State a match. BC, BU, URoch matches. Tulane a solid match. Brandeis a realistic reach but maybe too small for you although it has great sciences and many of the students there double or triple major (also very strong for med school). Some of the SUNYs would be a safety for you. I would look carefully at University of Vermont which is also a decent sized school with many programs and a growing reputation and dynamic new president and would be a safety for you even out of state. Other safeties: UNH, Ithica College, URI,</p>
<p>That was helpful. I'm just hesitant to apply to any 'real' safeties, because my (Indian <em>sigh</em>) family's expectations are so high. But i guess a few month's of humiliation (worst case scenario) is better than the possibility of not getting in anywhere.</p>
<p>But...just to give me something to think about. What do you think my chances are from getting rejected from ALL the following schools:</p>
<p>Carnegie Mellon, Cornell, JHU and Umich-Ann Arbor</p>
<p>FlyinV,</p>
<p>Please don't allow your family's expectations to shut you out of a really good school that may not be 'famous'. You must apply to a few safeties. I highly recommend you look seriously at University of Rochester. This is a really good school ( and may be more of a match).</p>
<p>Also, as Collegedad suggested, Tulane and Brandeis are also excellent. William and Mary in Virginia is also SUPERB, but could be tough for you to get into--especially being out of state--but look into it seriously anyhow. You need to shoot high, as you are doing, but this needs to be balanced by schools that are a more sure thing. I'm not certain what your chances are at the schools you have listed (Carnegie Mellon, et al) but they are TOUGH. Also look at Tufts for the reach part of your list.</p>
<p>try northeastern as a safety.</p>
<p>Wavelength, in your previous post, were you reffering to University of Maryland - College Park when you said University of Maryland?</p>
<p>That's right....U Maryland, College Park.</p>
<p>Also, as I said before: U of Rochester : <a href="http://www.rochester.edu/%5B/url%5D">http://www.rochester.edu/</a></p>
<p>Unfortunately it is a significant possibility to be rejected at each of the 4 schools you list, Cornell and JHU are elite and CMU, UMich are reach/matches for your meaning an acceptance of probably 25-40%. I agree with wavelength try to resist the push from your parents regarding prestige. It's more important to find a school that matches your personality in size, location, culture, social aspects, and academics (not the same thing as prestige, think more course offerings and opportunities). If your ultimate goal is medical school, keep in mind that if you go to any good major university or college and excel, you will be accepted, but excelling at college often has a lot to do with how comfortable and happy you are going to a college. That's why your visit to a campus is so important to talk to students and just get a "vibe" for the place as my son would say. It really is true that after a visit you will just know which college is "you". But you need to make sure that such a choice is one where you are likely to be accepted. There are thousands of schools out there and you just need to find several solid matches and one true safety that you really like because of non-prestige factors. Then you can feel good about shooting higher knowing you won't be shut out as can happen if you only shoot high.</p>
<p>Hey, OP again. That SAT boost i was hoping for actually came through. So, here are my new v old scores.
Math: 740 to 740
CR : 640 to 700
Writing: 660 to 740</p>
<p>That's a 140 pt increase for a 2180 total. </p>
<p>Anyways, my question is, how much of a difference will that make in my chances at getting into my reaches (Hopinks and Cornell). The reason this is important is because i need to know if i need more safety schools.</p>
<p>P.S. See original post for the rest of my stats.</p>
<p>I think that the improvement will definitely help your chances at Cornell, Brown and JHU. But with your GPA they will still be definite reaches. And given their very select admissions, realistically they are <50% acceptance rates for everyone. FlyinV, you have a definite decent shot at your top choices and you should definitely apply, but you still need true matches and one true safety. What are you thinking for your matches and safety now?</p>
<p>Would carnegie mellon be a true match now? And i was thinking about University of Maryland-College Park and Boston University as safeties. I'm also considering adding northwestern as a reach. Although i haven't visited there, i like it alot from what i've gathered online. I've also dropped brown for the time being. So, here is my list as it stands.</p>
<p>Reach:
Cornell
JHU
Northwestern</p>
<p>Match:
Carnegie Mellon</p>
<p>Safety:
BU
University of Maryland</p>
<p>I've left off Umich too for the time being. While it's a good school, i don't see anything about it that justifies me going 800 miles from home.</p>
<p>That's a pretty good list now with one concern. I agree that CMU is now a match, but I'm not sure if UMd and BU are true safeties. When I was applying to colleges decades ago, BU would have been a safety with your stats, but I think that it has become more selective. I think it's more like a low-match (>50% acceptance certainty) than a true safety (>90% certainty acceptance). UMd would be a safety in-state but out-of-state it is more like a match. A true safety would be something like Northeastern, URI, UConn (I know you don't to go there), UNH, UMass, UVM, Providence.</p>