Holy Cross is known for manipulating their med school acceptance rate. They are very choosy what students to support with a committee letter making their acceptance rate higher.
@aquapt Thank for for the extra suggestions! Yes, she is definitely hitting crunch time. Thiese are really great details about these schools, and her major. Going to let her know about those schools to research while I go run NPC on them lol . You are absolutely right about a match school that meet aid. Thanks again!!!
@CottonTales Thank you for that, that is definitely a consideration!
OP, the reason for my singular comment at the beginning of this post is so that it doesn’t get lost. Many of of us understand that we are not just responding to the OP. Many others also read the posts for additional knowledge. Reminding parents that it is their child that is applying and not them needs to happen from time to time. We all fall into that trap including me.
Now back to your original question. Do you have a true safety? Did she apply to UK by Dec 1st? Make sure that she has a plan if she gets shutout at the full need schools. It removes a lot of stress.
@waverbeach forget out of state, state schools they generally have very little aid, only take out of staters at the tip top of the test score range and are very competitive/grade on curves. I think your kid is more likely to get in at Pomona than Stanford (for a CA recommendation). And if she truly wants to do premed would be more likely to succeed at a Bowdoin or Amherst than a UVA, vanderbilt, duke, emory, or johns hopkins where >20% of the undergrads are premed. Of course if your kid gets into Harvard, great; the most common grade given out is an “A” and the median GPA of graduates is a 3.7
I do wonder if the elite school admissions officers will notice super high ACT scores for reading/english but not as strong scores for MAth/Science and wonder if pre med is the right choice. (which is basically agreeing with MYOS that her scores don’t match a premed type applicant and should consider something that matches her scores better)
Holy Cross has grade deflation. Not surprised at what @CottonTales said.
Perhaps add Muhlenberg and/or Beloit, since they meet need for 95% admitted students.
Ultimately, in my opinion, it’s better to get into a smaller school that you can afford, than a large school you can’t afford (ie., if her choice were between Muhlenberg, which sounds like an excellent fit except for size, and UKentucky, would she prefer UK just because it’s larger? What if UK happened to be more expensive?)
Not sure Kenyon is a QB school but if not worth adding (as long as you’ve expressed interest): it doesn’t have extra essays.
Look into Connecticut College?
Note that CommonApp waives the app fee if you ask for it and your guidance counselor confirms (there are various possibilities that justify it - qualifying for QB would enter the “other” category, but there’s an “income” category", “public housing”, “reduced/free meal”, etc.)
@waverbeach There was a poster here many years ago whose pre-med daughter agonized between a generous financial package at Rhodes (full tuition or full ride, can’t remember which) and Yale. Followed the money, went to Rhodes, had a great experience, and then for med school went to … Yale.
Also recommend Mt Holyoke for reasons that @itisatruth mentioned, although it’s small and rural. Access to the consortium would mitigate those factors. There are some full tuition merit scholarships available.
While she’s not drawn to the midwest, Oberlin ticks many of her boxes - very vibrant drama, music, and creative writing scene as well as strength in neuroscience with about 3K students. Town is small but only 45 minutes from Cleveland and the new college president (a very dynamic African American woman) is developing closer connections with Cleveland in the form of subsidized summer and school year internships. Would be less competitive for admission than Wesleyan or Amherst but still a highly ranked LAC. Both merit and need-based aid available.
Good luck!
@Eeyore123 Yes, I do understand that now. I’m new to this site. She is sick right now and asked me to post recommendations for her on here and I am a little stressed as well. She has been selecting all of her schools herself and I didn’t realize so many of them where reaches and I hadn’t done the NPC on the rest yet. She did apply to UK so yay to that, but she really doesn’t want to stay in-state, but you are right a safety net is better than no net! lol
@anon145 I was wondering about that as well. I was hoping the higher scores on R and E would round her out a little lol What are your thoughts on University of VA-richmond since you mentioned UVA…
@MYOS1634 Thanks!! I haven’t looked at those, not sure if she has, but right now my priority is on the NPC also lol We will check them out!
@mamaedefamilia Thanks!!! That is great to hear about Oberlin! and yes I am trying to remind her that if she does end up pre-med her undergrad is not as important “name-wise”.
Can anyone tell me how on campus housing works for MHC- or I guess any of the 5 consurtium colleges if she wanted to do a semster at a different college?
After their first semester, students can take a class (or even 2) at any other college in the consortium - there is a shuttle that takes them. There’s also “study away” semester (to study at other women’s colleges, such as Barnard or Spelman).
Brandeis and University of Rochester would be excellent matches for her. From your description, I think she would really like the vibe at Brandeis, which combines good drama clubs with excellent pre-med and sciences.
Clark and Muhlenberg each would be safer options worthy of consideration, with a vibe she would like, although they are smaller schools than her targeted size. Clark has one of the nation’s premier psychology programs. Muhlenberg is a pre-med powerhouse with a stellar theatre program. Both are generous with merit aid.
Nearly all schools are fine for premeds, but much depends on the student. “Reach schools” are more likely going to be poor choices for premeds because either the student is one of the weaker students or the school is so loaded with super-stars that the student doesn’t get the A’s and ends up with a GPA that isn’t med school worthy.
I’m always scratching my head that wanna-be premeds excited that they got into some high reach school. What?? The student is now going to be sitting in premed prereq classes with a bunch of students who are stronger than they are. Guess who won’t likely end up with the best grades.
As mentioned in an earlier post, a determined premed should go to a school where his/her stats are well-within the top 25% of the school.
Does Grinnell meet need?
I’m thinking that since your daughter is a little weak in math/science, if she truly wants med school, and it’s not just a passing fancy, then a “meets need” LAC would be best because of the opportunities for additional help.
The school that puts the most African Americans into medical school is Howard. https://www.aamc.org/download/321446/data/factstablea2-1.pdf
Yes. Need blind (domestic) and meets need for all admitted.
@anon145 that chart just tells us the number of applicants. It doesn’t tell us which school puts the most AAs into med school.
And if I remember correctly, Xavier has a reputation for having many AA students go to med school.