Need Some Help Thinking Through Some Options

@CValle

Run the Net Price Calculators on any schools you are interested in!

We had to look for full tuition and full tuition plus scholarships in order to meet our budget. Our in-state public flagship is expensive!!!

If your student is willing to work and take out student loans ($27K), and you are willing to pay $20K per year, that will open up more options within your budget.

We’ve met some families who expect the student to major in a career specific major in UG, such as Nursing, Accounting, Engineering, and other families who were comfortable paying for a liberal arts degree if grad school or professional school was in the big picture.

I’m not sure how much reassurance your family needs re: the course of study. Yes, a poli sci major might lead to a high earning stable career, and it might not.

Tuition, room & board for the Seven Sisters women’s colleges all cost at least $60,000. Barnard and Wellesley offer no merit aid - only need based aid. Among those that offer merit, Smith maxes out at $25,000/yr, I believe Bryn Mawr goes up to $30,000/yr, and Mount Holyoke has a few at full tuition. However, these are all going to be highly competitive awards. And unless your daughter gets that full tuition award from Mount Holyoke, the resulting cost even with merit will make these schools unaffordable for you.

Agnes Scott (women’s college in the south) may have some good merit. U of Richmond has some full tuition scholarships. U of Alabama is a popular choice on these boards that gives outstanding merit, although it differs from your desired criteria. But with only $20,000, your options are going to be very limited so you are probably going to have to broaden your criteria.

Like others have said, check out the Colleges that Change Lives. Look lower on the USNews LAC listings. Check out this chart from the NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/07/08/education/edlife/8edlife_chart.html?_r=0. It’s old so the data has very likely changed, but it will give you some schools to research.

The Boston University Trustee Scholarship covers full tuition and room and board - worth applying for a high stats student.

Over the weekend, I met a girl who attends Agnes Scott in Atlanta and she raved about it. She’s part of their center for global diversity https://www.agnesscott.edu/dos/diversity-and-inclusion/index.html

@CValle, Depending on your host country, being an American expatriate can be a sort of extracurricular. Life experience is an important factor in admissions, and my observation is that kids who grew up in “interesting” overseas environments do very well at selective colleges. How to define “interesting?” Could be anything that makes the experience stand out – economically developing country, political hotspot, exposure to a lesser known religion or culture. The key is to communicate what the student’s life experience can contribute to the campus community through essays, resumes and recommendations.

Could you clarify if you have a home state university to fall back on? Even if you live abroad, you may fulfill your state’s requirements. This would give your daughter a reasonable safety, both in admissions and finances.

Secondly, have you run the net price calculators for some of the schools that your daughter has identified? Oddly enough, some of the most selective schools are also the most generous with need-based funds. For urban/suburban LACs look at Macalester, Swathmore, Haverford, Bryn Mawr, Pomona. If she’s flexible on the location, try Williams, Amherst, Middlebury, Grinnell, Carleton.

If need-based aid isn’t going to work, then you need to bridge the gap between your $20K contribution and what you might achieve in merit aid. As others have pointed out $40K+ in merit is a tall order, at LACs or at schools of any size. There are some wonderfully generous one-off merit scholarships out there, but they’re difficult to predict and risky to count on. For substantial merit, you have to be prepared to cast a WIDE net, maybe applying to 15+ schools.

Of course, incurring debt for an undergraduate degree isn’t anyone’s first choice, but you and your daughter need to consider that possibility and try to quantify how much debt would be bearable. No need-based aid, no debt, and only $20K a year in input, means her choices will narrow considerably, so explore how you could eke out each of these channels with additional funds.

I wouldn’t worry so much about her major or her ultimate career at this point. Unless she’s headed for a professional degree (like engineering) she won’t have to settle on a major until around the end of her sophomore year. Graduates of top schools, large and small, can do well financially no matter what their majors are, as long as they use their undergraduate years to build their resumes with internships and summer jobs, make connections with professionals in their fields of interest, take advantage of their colleges’ career counseling services and leverage their relationships with their professors and advisers. The career path starts in the first year, but may take multiple twists and turns before the ultimate goal is achieved.

LOL. Do parents really still manipulate their dear children into certain majors? This isn’t the 1950s anymore, and neither is it a bad TV movie. Time to get over this whole bourgeois “career path” notion. Inflexible thinking is the knell of an interesting life.

@violaine It may be time to understand that family dynamics around the world might not mimic your family dynamics. This may be an American board but not all families represented here are traditional American families. And being rude and snarky about it won’t change it.

Nobody had mentioned these and I think they may be terrific options (they are all LACs or tiny):

William Jewell’s Oxbridge Honors program: Jewell is in a KC suburb and the scholarship that comes with being in the program pushes CoA below $20K/year. The Oxbridge Honors only has 5 majors but bio and PPE are among them. You study your major classes in an Oxbridge-style tutorial format (one-on-one with a Prof) and if you have a GPA above 3.7, you may study abroad at Oxford junior year. Oxbridge Honors grads seem to have done well in grad school admissions.

New College of Florida: No National Merit for you? Then with their automatic OOS scholarship, CoA would be below $30K/year. They are a near-Ivy in my book because of their alums’ success at entering prestigious grad schools. Also lots of faculty attention and Oxbridge-style tutorials. I think there is an Oxford scholarship for grads of FL public colleges, which always includes some NCF grads even though they are a tiny school while the other FL publics are massive. They are somewhere in the Tampa area.

Sarah Lawrence also offers Oxbridge-style tutorials and sends a bunch of students to Oxford on exchange. Merit money from there is possible but I don’t know how much.

And I’ve heard mixed things about Jacobs University Bremen, which has a high attrition rate and is pretty easy to get in to but is tough (so grads do well: evidently, 50-100 students start off looking to major in CS, roughly 20 actually graduate with a CS major and half of those end up at the top tech companies like Google/Facebook). They clearly are trying to be a German Rice and those who make it through may do as well as Rice grads, but it is tinier with fewer majors, has more financial problems, less focus on teaching, but is way more international.
List total is €26K yearly for 3 years, but they offer merit money.

McGill does has some cheap degrees (with Arts&Science, you essentially double major), but is almost the exact opposite of a small LAC. It really seems like a top-tier old-school public, like UMich/UW-Madison from decades ago (or Cal now): massive public with massive lectures; rigorous classes and grade-deflation; sink-or-swim with limited resources on frills (or support). It has a campus but is in a major city and very much leftish.

But your D may be Ivy/equivalent-quality, in which case it may be worth looking in to trying for the full-tuition scholarships at Richmond/Emory/Tulane/Wake/Miami/UTD/SMU.

Higher up and harder to get would be full-tuition scholarships to Duke/UChicago/Vandy/WashU/UVa/UNC.

BTW, Waterloo CS/engineering is well-regarded (CS is extremely well-regarded) and total costs after co-op earnings may be within range. It would also be very tough/rigorous.

However, Sarah Lawrence has rather limited academic offerings. Visual and performing arts, writing, literature, history, and psychology are its emphases. Other subjects are only minimally offered. See https://www.sarahlawrence.edu/undergraduate/disciplines/ .

In today’s ever changing world, I think the only guaranteed “high earning and stable career” is a medical pre-professional tract such as nursing - seems very prescriptive, but that may fit well for some.

“Willing to spend approximately 20,000 per year out of pocket.”
“American citizen living abroad”

To find a university for $20,000 per year, my first thought is to look at the in-state options, and even in-state is likely to be a stretch. However, I honestly don’t know whether there are any in-state options for an American living abroad.

I am wondering whether you should start looking abroad. If the student has dual citizenship this would make $20,000 per year ample in the few countries that I know about. Without dual citizenship you should be able to get close outside the US but I honestly don’t know how you will get down to this number.

I don’t hear you asking, but if you want a low cost “in state” public safety option, look at U New Mexico. Their Amigo scholarship (easily achieved with early application) will bring cost down to in state level which is under $20,000 total per year. There is also a competitive scholarship that is full ride.

They have an honors college to bring some of the benefits of an LAC to a large state U.

“So funny - I spent the day studying McGill and seriously considering it. Great minds!”

McGill is a great university. However, as others have pointed out it is very different from a LAC. Some of the smaller universities in Canada are much closer to a LAC in size, feel, and teaching approach. Depending upon major and which schools you are looking at some of the smaller schools might or might not cost less than McGill for international students.

@DadTwoGirls I don’t want to cause this thread to go off-topic, but for kids with the OPs dd’s test scores and a high GPA, getting costs down below $20,000 in general is not difficult. (Our kids’ budget is actually lower.) When student preferential criteria start being added in, the field starts to shrink radically. Strong students can find schools where they can receive excellent educations, but when cost is the primary filter, they have to accept that that is what is generating the list. It is fairly easy to find most majors at enough schools that they can still narrow their options by a few personal preferences, but it is a much different process than using personal preferences to generate a list and then filtering by cost.

Simple fact is more $$ means more options. Under $20,000 means that that student’s original wish list is going to have to some of its restrictions eliminated or the budget is going to have to increase,etc (especially if the student has to add in university health insurance which can easily eat a chunk of that budget–Sarah Lawrence"s plan is $2800 https://www.universityhealthplans.com/secure/waiver.cgi?group_id=104 Grinnell’s $1500 https://www.grinnell.edu/about/offices-services/cashier/insurance )

If your daughter is having trouble nailing down what she wants to major in, are you really sure that she’s nailed down the profile of the school she wants to attend? I ask this because my D was “certain” she wanted a small LAC and is now headed for a large SEC school. We only visited small LACs junior year. But then three things happened: she realized that the size of the campus, not number of students mattered to her; she decided she really wanted a minor (or possibly second major) in an area that many small LACs didn’t offer; and we learned that honors colleges at large public schools can give a LAC experience with small class sizes. I’d suggest you look at some of those. My D is headed to Ole Miss and most of her classes in the fall will have only 15 students.

@suburbmom Same with my dd. She thought she wanted a small LAC. After several visits, she decided they felt claustrophobic and less diverse. She decided she wanted a large student body.

OP needs a school where an SAT of 1500 is so far above the average that the college is willing to pay mightily for it. There are such schools and a good education can be obtained there. They are not, however, generally on the East Coast. With solid grades and acceptable activities, she can throw in some lottery style applications for the very few massive merit scholarships at top 50 schools, but the odds are heavily against her.

There is a thread in financial aid forum for schools under $25,000. Start there. With the student loan or work earnings, that might get you close to the number.

Also apply to Pitt early with both SAT results, and maybe take ACT too.

At Duquesne with those stats, she should get >$20,000 merit. They gave up to $24,000 this year if living on campus.

Also have her apply early to Ohio State. And maybe Temple.