<p>Soccerzoo-- "Some of us are smart enough to look beyond rankings, but most are not."</p>
<p>You're saying, then, that you aren't one of the smart ones??</p>
<p>Haha, no--I'm smart enough to realize that while rankings may not be important to me, they are to many, and the opinion of that larger group legitimizes them enough to be relevant in society. Hell, I don't care what my school is ranked as long as I'm getting a great job, networking with the right individuals, etc.</p>
<p>Prestige matters but rankings don't. This is because employers do not rely on rankings in determing what is a good school. </p>
<p>Even if a school moves 50 places up or down the rankings and remains there, it would take at least a decade for there to be any effect on employment prestige.</p>
<p>Aurelius, exactly!!! Prestige built through producing solid graduates who are competent in the workplace.... each corporation has its own opinion of prestige, however, and target particular colleges for their track record within the corporation and its needs.</p>
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<p>USNEWS 2007</p>
<p>Undergraduate business specialties:
Finance
Methodology 1. University of Pennsylvania<br>
2. New York University<br>
3. University of CaliforniaBerkeley<br>
4. University of MichiganAnn Arbor<br>
5. Massachusetts Inst. of Technology<br>
6. University of TexasAustin<br>
7. Indiana UniversityBloomington<br>
8. U. of North CarolinaChapel Hill<br>
9. Carnegie Mellon University (PA)
10. Ohio State UniversityColumbus<br>
11. U. of IllinoisUrbana-Champaign<br>
12. University of Virginia<br>
13. Univ. of Southern California<br>
14. University of Florida<br>
15. Univ. of WisconsinMadison<br>
Boston College<br>
17. Washington University in St. Louis<br>
University of Washington<br>
Univ. of MarylandCollege Park<br>
20. Pennsylvania State U.University Park<br>
21. Emory University (GA)
22. University of Notre Dame (IN)
Univ. of MinnesotaTwin Cities<br>
University of Iowa<br>
* denotes a public school.</p>
<p>These are the 2006 finance rankings for comparison:</p>
<p>did anyone see cal state long beach on the last pages list, just wondering since i saw cal state la and fullerton but no beach</p>
<p>I was looking for some colleges with a high number of job recruiters so that I can get a good picture of the business field. Could you tell me of the undergraduate business schools with the highest number of recruiters for jobs/internships or give me a website where I can find this information. Also, could you tell me of some colleges that provide daily "hands on" or actual scenerios from the business field.</p>
<p>great information equals college website</p>
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I was looking for some colleges with a high number of job recruiters so that I can get a good picture of the business field. Could you tell me of the undergraduate business schools with the highest number of recruiters for jobs/internships or give me a website where I can find this information. Also, could you tell me of some colleges that provide daily "hands on" or actual scenerios from the business field.
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<p>The BusinessWeek rankings incorporate job placement statistics into their ranking. And gives each school a letter grade, the highest being A+.</p>
<p>The BusinessWeek ranking in general is much more comprehensive than the USNews ranking and incorporates data from multiple different sources. The USNews ranking just goes off of a survey handed out to the bigwigs of undergraduate business schools.</p>
<p>As far as your "hands on" question goes. You might want to look at IU-Kelley's I-Core program. Basically, they spend their junior year working on a project given to them by a sponsoring corporation (or sometimes multiple different projects). The corporation gets free consulting (usually from their target demographic), the students get hands on experience. Everybody wins.</p>
<p>Other than that, to find career statistics, just look at their career service's website, any good business school loves to trumpet their great placement rates.</p>
<p>One problem of the BW ranking is that it incorporates a polling of undergraduate recruiters. While this may seem to be a good idea, in reality, it probably isn't, because recruiters are not exactly interested in the top students. Rather, they are interested in the top students who will agree to work for them, and that's a big difference. A school that develops a reputation for producing graduates that are hard to recruit because they demand too much money or too much power are going to be marked down by the recruiters. But that's not a bad thing, that's actually probably a GOOD thing. If graduates are asking for lots of money and power, it means that they know they can probably get it from somebody, and if that ticks off the recruiters, then so be it. After all, B-schools are not supposed to be about pleasing the recruiters, they are supposed to be about pleasing the students. If a school constantly delivers top jobs with top salaries to its undergrads, who cares if the recruiters are ticked off? </p>
<p>Ideally, what recruiters want are not just smart people, but smart people who are willing to work for as low of a salary as possible, are willing to do any grunt work they are given, and who basically don't ask for anything. In other words, they want brilliant slaves. What you want, as a student, is the leverage to be able to resist a recruiter when he tries to get you to take a bad job for low pay, and if that makes a recruiter angry, that's too bad for him. In fact, recruiters SHOULDN'T be happy, because the schools and the students should be squeezing the recruiters to give up as much salary and as much power as possible. That's evidence of a good B-school.</p>
<p>I don't understand why Georgetown MSB is ranked sooo low....it's an excellent school, probably matching the recruiting activity of any top10 school. Yet it's #29 or something....USNWR rankings are dumb.</p>
<p>most wall-street recruiters don't even look at these rankings. they care about prestige.</p>
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One problem of the BW ranking is that it incorporates a polling of undergraduate recruiters. While this may seem to be a good idea, in reality, it probably isn't, because recruiters are not exactly interested in the top students. Rather, they are interested in the top students who will agree to work for them, and that's a big difference. A school that develops a reputation for producing graduates that are hard to recruit because they demand too much money or too much power are going to be marked down by the recruiters...
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<p>You aren't giving recruiters enough credit, Sakky. The survey they are given differentiates between whether or not they think highly of that schools graduates and whether or not they were able to hire them. It's unlikely that recruiters would lie simply out of spite. Given that they have nothing to gain by lying.</p>
<p>Other than that every Manager knows a happy employee is a productive employee. And they know that often money and responsibilities leads to happy employees. They would prefer that employees be happy working for nothing. But they know thats not realistic.</p>
<p>Basically, if recruiters Wanted to con naive college kids, they could. But recruiters aren't con-artists, they're recruiters. And if they truly were just looking for people to take a "bad job for low pay", then realistically they would know that no one smart enough to succeed at that job would take that job. Which is why they don't do that.</p>
<p>Other than that the BusinessWeek ranking takes in many other data sources other than a recruiter survey. Those other factors being a student survey(30%), starting salaries(10%), feeder school measure(10%) and a quality measure which is basically SATs plus class size issues and the like(30%). The recruiter survey only counts for 20% of the total ranking.</p>
<p>The USNews ranking only uses One data source. And that is a survey handed out to the top officials of undergraduate business schools. IE it just has the "Peer Assesment" factor that is included in their normal college rankings.</p>
<p>Honestly, I think you've gotten the graduate school rankings confused with the undergraduate business rankings. You seem to think the only difference between the USNews ranking and the BW ranking is a recruiter survey. The reality is a long ways from that.</p>