New Haven (vs Cambridge, MA)

<p>As someone who is neutral on the topic, I have to say the Harvard's location is much better. As someone else mentioned, Yale is very close to the "ghetto" section of New Haven. If you go in one direction from the highway, it looks very nice and upscale, but not in the other direction. </p>

<p>Harvard's area (Cambridge) seemed like a very good setting for a college. There is nothing "unattractive" about the area, and it's certainly much better than many of the other Ivy college locations, especially New Haven, Philadelphia, and Harlem. With that said, I thought Yale's campus was significantly nicer than Harvard's.</p>

<p>So, New Haven vs. Cambridge, from someone who has lived in both places:</p>

<p>Both are great college towns (obviously - Yale and Harvard are easily the two most selective universities in the country and their locations are a major factor in this), but New Haven is a better college town than Cambridge. The main reason is that the area of Cambridge around Harvard empties out on weekends, and the Harvard campus is dead, because it isn't the center of student life for the area. Students go elsewhere to party, and also the fact that Harvard's campus is much more spread-out than Yale's is a problem. Yale is the complete opposite. Yale's campus is very busy all weekend, partly because there is probably more to do in terms of theater and shows and the campus is more compact, but also because the area of New Haven around Yale is the center of student life for all the colleges in the region. If you go around parts of downtown New Haven (where Yale is) on weekends, you'll see there are literally hundreds of stores, restaurants, sushi bars, a brand-new multiplex cinema, nightclubs etc. that students go to, whereas Harvard's area is sort of dead by comparison (to be fair, there are a few good pubs and a couple of good pizza shops around Harvard, and a good movie theater, but it isn't the same).</p>

<p>Of course, Boston obviously has more colleges, since it's a larger city, but New Haven has tens of thousands of college students, too. For example, Harvard is the largest university in Cambridge by enrollment, but Yale is not the largest university in New Haven by enrollment - Southern Connecticut State is.</p>

<p>In terms of safety, Harvard is more dangerous:</p>

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<p>But both campuses are in large urban areas, and obviously students should take some precautions when venturing away from either campus, or late at night on either campus. There are occasionally crimes against students at both Harvard and Yale, but not much more than at a lot of other schools, even rural or suburban schools. The crime seems exaggerated because the universities are closely-knit, people know each other, and there is a constant media spotlight which means you hear about crimes, even small ones (in places like New York City, there can be crimes going on right across the street but chances are you will never hear about them). So, yes, the New Haven and Cambridge/Boston areas both have bad parts of town, obviously, but both also have extremely wealthy areas. Boston has very expensive housing because it is a large city, and a lot of old-money wealth. Connecticut is the richest state in the country by far, and has the highest percentage of Ph.D.'s per capita in the country, and much of that spills over into New Haven, which you'd see if you look at some of the restaurant menus in the downtown area. Be careful comparing any statistics about cities (including even things like population numbers), especially these ones -- the city boundaries of New Haven and Boston are drawn in a very outdated way making it impossible to really compare them to other cities. If you drew the city boundaries of New Haven like San Antonio draws its boundaries, for example, New Haven would be the 8th largest city in the country with a population approaching two million people. </p>

<p>One thing visitors sometimes notice to either place is the homeless population. The reason that homeless people hang out near Yale and Harvard is because they are the safest places, and the only places they are welcome, in the region. Yale and Harvard have lots of pedestrians relative to the areas that surround them (which are much more suburban), which makes it much safer for people, including the homeless, to hang out by the campus. Also, it's the only place panhandlers can make money. Studies have been done that show only about 25% of the homeless people in college towns (areas like the ones around Harvard and Yale) are actually from that area - most have come there because it is where they feel welcome.</p>

<p>In terms of accessibility to the countryside, quieter areas, beaches, hiking trails, etc., New Haven wins hands-down over Cambridge because it is a smaller city. The "edge" of urban sprawl in New Haven is really close to the center, meaning you can ride a bike or even walk out to areas with dozens of miles of hiking trails, whereas in Boston you need to drive at least an hour out to get into nicer rural areas. Of course, Cambridge has a larger city within immediate access (Boston), but I think Yale more than makes up for that by being so close to New York City, which puts Boston to shame. The real comparison is New York versus Boston, since both Yale and Harvard are within those larger metropolitan regions (although for college students both schools benefit by not being in the center of the megacities - being in the center of a huge city like that completely kills all campus life whatsoever). Anyways, in this sense, Yale easily wins because New York City is hundreds of times more interesting, diverse, exciting and educational than Boston will ever be.</p>

<p>In terms of student interaction with the city, both places offer a lot of opportunities for getting involved but Yale wins here, too. The reason is that it's a smaller city, so much more welcoming to student involvement, and also because the Yale campus is literally across from New Haven's City Hall and central business district, on the 400-year old town green. I can't think of any other universities that have such a close, accessible relationship with such a large host city like Yale does. Harvard is part of a much larger city and it's much more difficult to get directly involved with something politically important (and educational)!</p>

<p>Harvard to Boston - 10 minutes on the T
Yale to NYC - 2 hours on the train</p>

<p>But that's like saying:
10 [or 20] minutes to a city smaller than and about as interesting as Novosibirsk, Russia
vs.
[less than] 2 hours to a city larger and better than Paris and London combined.</p>

<p>conticuere - I don't believe you go to Yale. That was a very lazy dismissal of New Haven. You wouldn't do that if you were really here.</p>

<p>"I can't think of any other universities that have such a close, accessible relationship with such a large host city like Yale does."</p>

<p>Penn is within the city of Philadelphia and a 15 minute walk to Center City or a 10 minute subway ride.</p>

<p>great post, posterx, very thorough. ive lived in new haven (not at yale) for a summer and i can say it was not a particularly pleasant experience. new haven needs yale in order to be vibrant and exciting--which it certainly is during the school year, with all the shops, clubs and restaurants right nearby that are constantly buzzing with yalies. and i would have to agree about the proximity to new york vs. proximity to boston. i go to new york about four times a semester, its really not a hassle, yale organizes trips down there all the time, and its a gajillion times better than boston.</p>

<p>Philadelphia's government is a much larger organization - the city government isn't going to allow Penn undergrads to just walk in and start doing major projects, even as freshmen. Also, they'd have to compete with Temple, Drexel, etc.</p>

<p>"How ghetto can a place in Conneticut be? And it's not like its huge or anything. Are there serious drug, gang and violence issues?"</p>

<p>In New Haven, there are gangs all over the place, shootouts every once in a while, and really - it goes from beautiful gothic architecture to a dangerous ghetto in no time.</p>

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But that's like saying:
10 [or 20] minutes to a city smaller than and about as interesting as Novosibirsk, Russia
vs.
[less than] 2 hours to a city larger and better than Paris and London combined.

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<p>I'm sorry, but are you saying that Boston isn't comparable to NYC?</p>

<p>Yes, I believe he was. However, I would personally be fascinated with Novosibirsk, Russia. It's such a different culture.</p>

<p>You know, at this point, I really don't care whether New Haven is better than Cambridge or Philadelphia trumps them both. As long as it's not my hometown, I'll be happy.</p>

<p>As for New Haven and gangs, I haven't really seen that. I just see petty crime.</p>

<p>Anyone who claims New Haven is better than Cambridge/Boston is clearly rationalizing in order to mask his/her insecurity about Harvard.</p>

<p>A shocking point of view coming from a recently admitted Harvard applicant! ;)</p>

<p>Joker123: New Haven is better than Cambridge.</p>

<p>Never applied to Harvard. Never will.</p>

<p>Yale '10!</p>

<p>I was talking to joker, jugar.</p>

<p>Can we please keep the opinions objective guys?</p>

<p>I know people who prefer New Haven and I know people who prefer Cambridge. It really comes down to personal preference so those of you making the Harvard vs. Yale decision should really visit both towns to get your own impression.</p>

<p>Here are the five things I like best about each place, many of which have already been mentioned by others.</p>

<p>New Haven:</p>

<p>1) Nature is much more accesible w/out a car. East Rock park is only 1 mi from campus. There is also West Rock and Magby resevoirs 3miles away. </p>

<p>2) Great, cheap ethnic restaurants are very close/on campus. It's so easy to get a delicious $5-10 meal. Food trucks are great. Good, cheap food is hard to find in Cambridge.</p>

<p>3) Cost of living is a lot less. $600 dollars gets you a nice 1 bedroom apt in New Haven vs. $1000 in Cambridge. This is important if you're looking to spend summers on campus or move off campus.</p>

<p>4) Yale has a School of Music and a School of Drama so there are tons of free/ cheap performances on campus. There is more going on in the Boston area each night, but it generally involves a T-ride which adds time and planning. In New Haven, I went the concerts once a week; now in Cambridge, it's more like once a semester.</p>

<p>5) There are a lot of community service opportunities in Cambridge and Boston, but at Yale they tend to be closer to/affiliated with the campus. </p>

<p>Cambridge:</p>

<p>1) Shopping is great in Boston! So many more stores for clothes, specialty food items, etc. No more mail order!</p>

<p>2) People want to visit you more often because you're in a "big" city with more tourist activities. </p>

<p>3) Lots of clubs and activities not directly affliated with your school to join. Music groups, running clubs, etc. But as a student, there's not much time to partake in this...</p>

<p>4) Boating is a lot more accessible in Cambridge. If you like sailing or crew, the Charles River is awesome and nearby whereas the Yale Yatch Club and the Boat House are each about a 25 min drive from campus.</p>

<p>5) The social life seems less campus centered in Cambridge than in New Haven.</p>

<p>The thread is getting pretty exhaustive on the topic, but I do want to mention:</p>

<p>-I tried hard to find the article, and could not, but about a month ago, the Dean of Student Affairs of Harvard College was cited in the Yale Daily News saying things that amounted to "the amount of crime in Cambridge is very comparable to than in New Haven" and "Don't get me wrong - Cambridge can be quite dangeous." I don't know why she said those things, but she did. It was an entertaining read for a Yalie.</p>

<p>-There are Yalies that b|tch and complain about New Haven and those that make the best of it in a way one could not do with a larger place. You realize there is a limited selection of clothing retailers in walking distance, so you take your pick of J Press, J Crew, and Urban Outfitters and you stick with it. There are no endless shopping opportunities to distract you from your studies :)</p>

<p>-Yes, New Haven just wouldn't be the same without Yale, but you kind of become proud of Yale's role if you're economically progressively minded. Yale is smack in the downtown of New Haven and owns a big chunk of the commericial real estate including all of Broadway and most of Whitney Avenue. Those places are neatly manicured and leave you wondering where New Haven got its bad rep. Yale owns a bunch of random apartment housing and keeps buying more and works with the city to develop subsidized home ownership programs. Measures like these help lift the city's image in many ways. </p>

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<li>The fairly ghettoey places that remain are quite a walk away. Someone mentioned "across the highway." I don't recall ever seeing or hearing of a Yalie going over there. If you're headed in the direction however, the Wooster Street neighborhood is one of the oldest and most interesting, far from ghetto. If you venture as far as Fair Haven going on Grand Avenue, you'll see the paradigm signs of a ghetto soon enough, though. But if you make it over the Q-Pac River you'll be in the clear again. The section of Derby Avenue from passing the Yale Bowl to around Dwight Street isn't so pleasant either which closely relates to the area west of campus being risky. And the Dixwell Ave direction too, I guess, is one to be cautious in.<br></li>
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<p>-There's ample night clubs and liquor stores in New Haven :) - CLub Image, and the club on College St are good choices and if one considers BAR a club that's good too. And of course Toad's can't be missed. </p>

<p>-There is a shortfall with movie theaters. I'd say even Hanover, NH beats us there...there is one really fancy movie theater nearby, but it only shows indie flicks. Since York Street Cinemas went under, you pretty much have to catch a bus to go to a mainstream movie theater, although the Med School Film Society makes up in part by screening good films about a month after they stop playing in the mainstream theaters. </p>

<p>That's my take on New Haven. I'm not in too much of a position to evaluate Cambridge, having only been twice.</p>

<p>There is no shortfall of movie theaters there. There is a very large cineplex less than two blocks away from the Yale freshman quad, on a street lined with dozens of restaurants, diners and shops, that shows many first run movies as well as the top recent foreign films. It is doing so well that they are expanding and adding several additional screens. There are literally dozens of other movie theaters within a 10 minute bus trip or car ride.</p>

<p>I'm sorry but as a Yale student I'm going to have to contradict PosterX. There's only one, very small movie theater on Temple Street that has about 5 or 6 theaters. It does not usually have all the big movies and usually carries the more artistic ones. </p>

<p>People who review films for the YDN are forced to take a taxi ride to the North Haven theater, a 40 dollar ride overall back and forth (though they get reimbursed), in order to see their films. Rarely, they even go to New York to see them on their debut. So, indeed, seeing the top movies here is often expensive and impossible for most students.</p>