<p>mom2collegekids,
kids of UN diplomats get temporary residency visas that are tied to their parents work/residency status. These kids are legally residing in the host country. These kids are not undocumented.</p>
<p>The kids who are picking cherries are overwhelmingly U.S. citizens. </p>
<p>“Bay, mini is concerned that if the illegals get deported from her community, then there will not be availability of depressed-wage, undocumented workers in nursing homes to take care of his/retired mother.”</p>
<p>No, if you deport undocumented immigrants (I don’t call them “illegals” because until they are found to be illegal, there is no evidence that they are) from eastern Washington, the health centers employing nice Caucasian doctors close up, the gas stations close, the grocery stores close, the value of people’s homes goes belly-up, the construction industry comes to a dead halt, exports disappear, municipalities go belly-up, and the school systems are shredded. For everyone. (I thought I wrote that already…)</p>
<p>AND Social Security runs out of money six years earlier.</p>
<p>mom2collegekids,
kids of UN diplomats get temporary residency visas that are tied to their parents work/residency status. These kids are legally residing in the host country. These kids are not undocumented.</p>
<p>lol</p>
<p>Of course they’re here legally. Everyone knows that. I was asking if the state of NY gets any kind of reimbursement. Otherwise it’s kind of an unfair burden for one state to bear.</p>
<p>I have foreign colleagues that spend their life’s savings to send their kids to college in the U.S. These families went thru the visa hassles and are paying full freight for tuition & boarding. I am going to tell them are CHUMPS. </p>
<p>They should have just sent their kid for a vacation to NY and let the kid overstay his visa. In a couple of years the kid could qualify for NY in-state tuition, and who knows, maybe he could even get a free-ride scholarship.</p>
<p>mini,
This thread is about undocumenteds going to college, not being deported (altho it has veered into that territory). How does it benefit you and your mom for undocumented students to go to US colleges, if they cannot lawfully get jobs, and there is no Dream Act?</p>
<p>lol…</p>
<p>I think there are some that do that if they have a relative living here. Calif could be a real target for this kind of thing. Family comes for vacation, leaves rising HS frosh child with US Auntie, child goes to HS in Calif, gets to go to Cal or UCLA for a fraction of the cost. Mom and Dad have just saved well over $100k.</p>
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<p>California educates ~25-35% of all undocumenteds. The other border states also have a large proportion.</p>
<p>You want to talk about ‘fair’ burden. hahahahhaha</p>
<p>mom2collegekids,
Where I am, all the expat embassy staff send their kids to int’l school-- even the lower ranking ones. The embassies employ local staff for low-level, non sensitive jobs. The locals do not get expat benefits</p>
<p>mini,
try to stay on topic. we are talking about college for undocumented kids, not deporting orderlies who work for nice Caucasian doctors. </p>
<p>Hey wait, mini, I just thought of something brilliant: you be supportive of barring undocumented kids from attending college-- it would broaden the pool of under-educated, depressed-wage orderlies who can work for your nice Caucasian doctors!</p>
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<p>What makes you think they can’t be drafted? They have to register for selective service when they turn 18. They don’t need a SSN to register. Many undocumented immigrants serve in the military now.</p>
<p>m2ck-
THIS is one reason I don’t think we should be paying uncsrupulous organizations to “deliver” international stidents:
There was another thread a while back on the rampant cheating, unscrupulous behaviors and rush to teach some of these students english so they can attend the school they were admitted to (with fake essays and fake LOR’s). Whats worse is that some schools look the other way.</p>
<p>And what if they are not “full pay” as many are not? Why should schools subsidize their education?</p>
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Everyone knows that. I was asking if the state of NY gets any kind of reimbursement. </p>
<p>Otherwise it’s kind of an unfair burden for one state to bear.</p>
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<p>California educates ~25-35% of all undocumenteds. The other border states also have a large proportion.</p>
<h1>You want to talk about ‘fair’ burden. hahahahhaha</h1>
<p>Oh Blue…of course. But, I was talking about the burden of educating kids that have been legally allowed to come here for a few years because their parents’ assoc with United Nations. </p>
<p>I know that there are NATO people living in my area, but they don’t have Embassies that employ lower paid int’ls who would more likely make use of public K-12. The NATO people tend to send their kids to privates. And, obviously these NATO numbers are much, much smaller.</p>
<p>Back to topic…</p>
<p>Jym…</p>
<p>Using unscrupulous orgns is always a bad idea. Using an ethical one is fine. So the concept in and of itself isn’t bad.</p>
<p>The cheating issue is a whole nuther can of worms. That goes on overseas even without the use of these “student head hunters”. there’s so much pressure over there to go to ivies, some will resort to anything…even without any “hunters.”</p>
<p>As for paying…I do think most are full payers (when you look at some of the schools that are using these services, many do not give aid to int’ls)…but even if they did, it would be THEIR money that is being spent, so none of our business. If HYP wants to spend $200k+ per head to educate an int’l, I may not like it, but it’s not my money, so none of my business. Personally, I’d rather they spent the money on domestic students, but i’m not running their shows. ;)</p>
<p>cartera45,
Isn’t there program now for immigrants to get fast-tracked for citizenship if they they serve in the Armed Forces? I think anyone who is willing to fight & die for this country should be so recognized.</p>
<p>Isn’t there program now for immigrants to get fast-tracked for citizenship if they they serve in the Armed Forces? I think anyone who is willing to fight & die for this country should be so recognized.</p>
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<p>Yes there is. But I think they have to have a green card first. I don’t think you can go from illegal to citizen by enlisting.</p>
<p>Yes, m2ck the cheating is a HUGE can of worms, and I think that the incentive reimbursement and the cheating in many cases go hand in hand . Heres one of the threads-- I havent found the others yet <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/india/1269987-elite-asian-students-cheat-like-mad-us-college-applications.htm[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/india/1269987-elite-asian-students-cheat-like-mad-us-college-applications.htm</a> At least it looks like the education department is startig to crack down on some ofe these practices, but isnt it interesting that the private collegs are resisting, according to this article [Education</a> Dept. Clarifies Rules on Incentive Compensation, Credit Hour, and Distance Education - Administration - The Chronicle of Higher Education](<a href=“http://chronicle.com/article/Education-Dept-Clarifies-Rule/126836/]Education”>http://chronicle.com/article/Education-Dept-Clarifies-Rule/126836/)
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<p>No clear path. There are still lots of hoops to jump through. I feel that way about kids raised here, who went to high school here and were able to get into, and pay for, college. In Maryland, where the Dream Act passed, but where the haters will likely overturn it on referendum, the numbers that would be able to afford in state tuition were very small. There is no aid available to them.</p>
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<p>That used to be the case in California, but it changed, and while federal aid is still not available, the State of California will provide need-based aid to undocumenteds. (One step at a time.)</p>
<p>Much of the money given out as scholarship and financial aid comes from increased tuition charged to others. Therefore, if you are paying tuition, it is your money and your business. Many highly ranked institutions have acknowledged this practice of charging more to some so they can award more aid to others.</p>
<p>And apparently some public schools are offering aid as well. These schools get state and federal funding, so it is the taxpayers business.</p>