New York City to pay low income h.s. students for scoring 3, 4, or 5 on AP tests

<p>When I began to read the article, I did not think this was a good idea at all until I got to the part where a school principal said it would provide an incentive for students to spend time studying for the tests instead of working to earn money. When I thought about it that way, it seems to make more sense, especially since the students involved are very poor and therefore are likely to need to earn money one way or another while in high school.</p>

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<p>ctober 15, 2007
Making Cash a Prize for High Scores on Advanced Placement Tests
By JENNIFER MEDINA</p>

<p>The city is expanding the use of cash rewards for students who take standardized tests with a $1 million effort financed by philanthropists who will pay students who do well on Advanced Placement exams.</p>

<p>High school students who get a top score, a five, on the exams will earn $1,000. A score of four will be worth $750, while a three will earn $500.</p>

<p>The program, which will be in 25 public schools and six private ones beginning this year, is enthusiastically supported by Schools Chancellor Joel I. Klein, who is expected at the announcement of the initiative today at Frederick Douglass Academy in Harlem. In a statement, Mr. Klein said he was “grateful” that the private group was “stepping up to tackle the critical goal of increasing the number of students who succeed on Advanced Placement tests.”</p>

<p>The private initiative comes as the city Education Department is beginning its own program to pay some students in the fourth and seventh grades for taking and doing well on 10 standardized tests given throughout the year.</p>

<p>The A.P. program is intended to increase the number of low-income, black and Latino high school students in New York who take and pass A.P. tests. In city schools, less than 1 percent of black students pass an Advanced Placement exam, according to city data analyzed by the program.</p>

<p>“It’s just absurdly low,” said Whitney Tilson, who runs a hedge fund, T2 Partners, and helped create the program after reading about a similar one in Dallas. “These are intriguing ideas based on performance, to try to say this is what the bar is and you have to meet it.”</p>

<p>“We’re not going to tell you how to meet this goal, we’re just going to reward you when you do,” he added.</p>

<p>The city’s program pays students just for taking the standardized tests, and offers more cash for good results. Seventh graders can earn as much as $40 for a top score. The program has provoked much debate about whether paying students for test-taking undercuts the notion that learning is its own reward.</p>

<p>But the criticism of the latest pay-for-performance plan may be more muted. Sol Stern, a fellow at the Manhattan Institute, a conservative research group, who is critical of the city’s program, said that it was difficult to find fault with a program to reward students for high performance on A.P. exams. “This is closer to the ideal of getting an award for a lot of hard work at the end,” Mr. Stern said.</p>

<p>Mr. Tilson approached the Council of Urban Professionals and the Pershing Square Foundation to finance the project. The foundation will give $1 million for the first year. Mr. Tilson expects to attract other donors.</p>

<p>In addition to the rewards to individual students, the program will give $2,000 to each participating school and invite them to apply for a grant of up to $10,000 to invest in their Advanced Placement classes. Principals will also be eligible for bonuses if their school’s passing rate improves, but that aspect of the program is still subject to approval by city officials under conflict of interest regulations.</p>

<p>The schools chosen for the program, called Reach, for Rewarding Achievement, all serve a high proportion of low-income black or Latino students and have at least 15 students taking Advanced Placement exams with more than 10 percent of them passing each year.</p>

<p>Mr. Tilson said he focused on Advanced Placement tests because he believes that they are more widely respected than other standardized tests and that passing these tests was a good indicator of students’ performance in college. Passing A.P. tests allows students to earn college credits while still in high school.</p>

<p>“The dropout rate for Latino and African-American kids in college is just as astounding” as their dropout rate in high school, said Edward Rodriguez, a lawyer formerly with the education department who is now running the Reach program. “We know that if they have some modest success on these tests, the chance of them doing well in college improves tremendously.”</p>

<p>Long Island City High School in Queens is one of the schools participating in the program. Its principal, William Bassell, compared the program to a college scholarship, adding that it was just another way to reward students who have made academics a priority. But like the city’s own program, the money will be given to students without any stipulation of how it must be used.</p>

<p>“We don’t think Advanced Placement classes should be just an elitist thing,” Mr. Bassell said. “It should be for any kid who is willing to do the work. A lot of these kids surprise themselves. A financial reward is always a great motivator for teenagers.”</p>

<p>Gregory Hodge, principal of Frederick Douglass Academy, which is also participating, said the cash incentives would help students decide between working to earn money for the prom or spending the time to study for their exam. At his school, roughly 80 percent of the 200 students who take A.P. tests pass.</p>

<p>“It takes some of the pressure off of the student,” he said. “Believe me, this is going to mean we have more students wanting to take and study for the test.”</p>

<p>I'm glad I don't pay taxes in NY. I know this is coming from private funds but it looks like other "pay for study" plans are in place there.</p>

<p>Rather than handing out cash awards for scoring on the AP tests why wouldn't they make it a scholarship and pay it only to a student attending an accredited college? Scoring a 3 on an AP exam and not attending college is of no value.</p>

<p>This plan looks like it'll waste a lot of money that could probably be better directed to achieve the desired results.</p>

<p>I do pay taxes in NYC and I have a problem with the whole concept. I don't want to pay parents for taking their kids to the doctor, for attending PT conferences or kids for most achievements. I'm a little on the fence, though, about rewarding 4 or 5 scores on AP tests because those are such nice accomplishments for kids in the targeted schools. That success on those particular tests shows me that those children are likely serious candidates for college and I love that idea. Flame away, but as a practical reality, there really won't be many (any?) takers in the targeted schools.</p>

<p>1 They seem to have started this for this acadmic year, not 08-09, so that kids who might have been lured into and AP class now won't have the chance to do it this year. </p>

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<li><p>There are a LOT of mjority black/Latino high schools in NYC that don't even offer AP courses. And a good number of the schools that do offer them do not have a lot of those students. Both things are a case of educational bias as far as I am concerned. This is the real tragedy of NYC public education. As Bush says, the soft bogotry of low expectations. Except ultimately, its not very soft at all. </p></li>
<li><p>Still, this will be a very interesting test to watch.Few takers? Myabe. But I think if this program were announced at the end of the last school year for this year there would be a LOT of takers. Kids are not stupid, and high test scores for college plus substantial cash is a hard offer to turn down. Some kids were alrday planning on AP anyways, but if this was supposed to get more into those courses, they just started it too late. </p></li>
<li><p>Disagree wit Z Mom. Pediction is that if the program is still in effect for next year there will be a LOT of takers.</p></li>
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<p>I HATE programs like this. One reason is that they create an incentive to stay in a less than stellar high shool rather than go to a better one. </p>

<p>Lets say you are a very bright minority kid who lives in NYC. You take the "sci high" admissions test and get a score that makes you eligible to attend Brooklyn Tech. (For those of you not familiar with NYC's rather arcane system, the sci high test determines admission to Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, and Brooklyn Tech. Historically--well, the last 10-15 years--the cut off score for Brooklyn Tech has been significantly lower than that for the other two schools. However, some Af-Am and Latino kids choose Brooklyn Tech, even if they have scores high enough for Stuy and BxS, because Tech has a higher percentage of kids who are Af-Am and Latino.)</p>

<p>You now learn that should you decide to stay in your local high school and opt for the top track there, you'll get paid for good AP scores. If you accept the greater challenge and enroll in Brooklyn Tech, you won't. You are poor. Which would you do?</p>

<pre><code>This is NUTS. It really truly is. If you are going to have a program that rewards kids for doing well on AP tests, make it open to ALL NYC public and parochial H.S. students--not just those who choose the less challenging path of staying in their less than stellar neighborhood schools. Of course, the principals of these schools LOVE the program!!! It helps them keep the best of the local kids in the neighborhood school, rather than encourgaging them to go to one of the magnets.
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<p>It is a good idea, I just wonder if it will work. Students who come from low income backgrounds have very little incentive to take an AP class. They do not have the push from the parents and many of them are not even sure they are going to college. This will give them an incentive to take these classes, and hopefully they will see college as an option in their future.</p>

<p>"Disagree wit Z Mom. Pediction is that if the program is still in effect for next year there will be a LOT of takers."</p>

<p>You are wrong. The program is only being instituted in a very, very few schools. The most troubled schools, in which the AP classes can be offered but not taught properly. At most there will be a handful of kids who score well and very likely none. If it were offered city-side, it would be more likely to succeed, but the schools chosen weren't chosen because of their large populations of poor and gifted students.</p>

<p>It is NOT being instituted in the "most troubled schools." Long Island City High, one of the high schools mentioned in the article, is already on Newsweek's list for best American high schools and that list is calculated based on AP scores. The school is low income and heavily URM, but the URMs include Hispanics (majority of students) and Asian, as well as about 15% --roughly--black. (I say black rather than African-American, because my understanding is that many of the black students are recent immigrants.) </p>

<p>Including LIC High in this program is EXACTLY what I am complaining about.</p>

<p>"It is NOT being instituted in the "most troubled schools." Long Island City High, one of the high schools mentioned in the article, is already on Newsweek's list for best American high schools and that list is calculated based on AP scores. "</p>

<p>Please re-read my post. That is not what I said and certainly not what I meant. There may be some punctuation confusion between us.</p>