<p>When I was in high school, I was elected NHS President because I was absent from the meeting that day. ;)</p>
<p>Reddune, excellent question. That really makes me start thinking about what the club could do… slight hitch: our adviser would probably shoot down any suggestions.. she doesn’t like change!
oh well.</p>
<p>NHS means nothing. People in my school treated it as if it were a ticket to a top 20 school, only to realize that there are many intelligent people across the nation that aren’t even in the cult.</p>
<p>sorry Reddune but all i can say to your overemotional posts is :). you spent a lot of your post attacking me rather than my arguments. please refer to the rules of this forum so that you may learn how to behave more properly on this forum. otherwise, i will have to report you.</p>
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sorry, but what is the problem that you are trying to address by doing all of this? why are you guys even getting faculty involved in addressing a student run organization’s problems? it sounds to me that there is a dearth of leadership in your NHS chapter. all of your posts keep on reaffirming my point…</p>
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what you are talking about isn’t exactly clear here… you sort of went all over the place… anyways please at least read a Wikipedia article about the Civil Rights Movement before making ignorant comments like you did here. are you telling me that MLK did not have charisma and leadership?</p>
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last time i checked good leaders are popular? anyways, i’m sorry you feel this way but this is merely your perception of NHS.</p>
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<em>sigh</em> my friend, are you serious? i hope you are just arguing just to argue. if not, i am concerned. “When you are playing a game or the system, you stand to benefit from it due to an inherent flaw. If you get sting, then you are not playing a game right, and thus putting yourself at risk for no good reason or benefit whatsoever.” do you have any character? what are your parents teaching you? that is such a bad attitude to have and i don’t think such attitudes have any business being on CC.</p>
<p>Congratulation jack, you learn the quote button, but you have yet to address anything. </p>
<p>"sorry, but what is the problem that you are trying to address by doing all of this? why are you guys even getting faculty involved in addressing a student run organization’s problems? it "
- Guess what jack, we did. We got out a lot of people involved. So what’s your point jack?</p>
<p>“at least read a Wikipedia article about the Civil Rights Movement before making ignorant comments like you did here. are you telling me that MLK did not have charisma and leadership?”</p>
<p>I’m not talking about MLK jack. I’m talking about direct action of the SNCC, CORE and the protest of children during the protest at Birmingham and Selma. I hope you take your own advice, but instead read a book instead of relying on Wikipedia for your education. MLK could speak his eloquence until judgment day, but it took those brave people who were not afraid to take a beating to change jack. Yes, they were inspired by King, but it was they who took the beating jack. Please don’t discredit their sacrifices. Maybe our educational system should have taught this to everyone instead of building a cult of personality.</p>
<p>“do you have any character? what are your parents teaching you? that is such a bad attitude to have and i don’t think such attitudes have any business being on CC.”</p>
<p>Jack, I think you skipped the reading comprehension portion of your SAT. I was explaining to you the definition of what a game is, one that you used previously without having a clear understanding. Where did I advocate people to cheat, steal, lie, or do what you are doing, distort the obvious?
E.G.
Racism: The belief that one race is superior to another.
OH my god, did I just promote racism by revealing its meaning. Shame shame. </p>
<p>What are your real arguments jack? I don’t know what they are. This is what I got from reading your posts:</p>
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<li>NHS is great, not at my school, but everywhere in this whole universe (which runs in direct confrontation to what the general consensus on this thread so far)</li>
<li>Those who don’t enjoy it don’t have leadership and charisma (I don’t know what this means except it’s blaming the victims.)</li>
<li>Despite the greatness of NHS, you shouldn’t do unless do it for college (I actually agree with this one)</li>
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<p>“please refer to the rules of this forum so that you may learn how to behave more properly on this forum. otherwise, i will have to report you.”
Report me with what jack? Profanity? I certainly didn’t swear at you. But if you are so insensitive about criticism, then it’s best for you to not be on an anonymous forum where people of all different opinions are making them known. I might add that you were the first to throw the grenade on the whole issue. Here’s your quote:</p>
<p>“most of these kids complain about NHS not doing anything and how it’s worthless yet they are members. on top of that they don’t even try to work hard and improve their school’s chapter: usually because they do not have the leadership abilities and charisma to do so. so, seriously, please do not listen to these kids.” </p>
<p>LOL, jack, aren’t you being a bit hypocritical here? Thank you for insulting 95% of the posters on this thread. You’re a real gentleman if there ever was one. If you had said, “I disagree with some of the posters here, I think NHS serves an important role in high school and needs to be improved if it’s deficient.” If that was your post, we wouldn’t be having this conversation jack.</p>
<p>“i don’t think such attitudes have any business being on CC.”
LOL jack, half of my skins have just melted due to the searing light of your righteousness. Please, don’t unleash your garlic breath too, it’s too much.</p>
<p>Please jack, don’t pretend with your new found politeness to obtain some sort of moral high ground. Please report my post, and you’ll get a dead silence. I think the moderators have jobs and lives outside of listening to our tic-for-tac posts.</p>
<p>NHS is very easy to get into at my school…if you have a 3.0 as a senior, and like one EC, you can put it on your transcript.</p>
<p>it’s all based on the GPA. All-AP kids with a lower GPA wouldn’t get in as early (GPA requirements are higher when you’re younger), but the morons who pull A’s in their classes where you can barely breathe and get by would.</p>
<p>If you guys are going to argue about something that is pretty much beyond the original poster’s questions, you should send each other private messages. This has little to do with the original poster’s questions.</p>
<p>Colleges are looking for students with character, for obvious reasons. If you were a college, you wouldn’t want boring people who just study all day and study all night. You would want interesting, lively, and bright people who contribute to the vitality of the social and academic community that is the college campus.</p>
<p>The general assumption is that people who are active in leadership develop a positive and healthy character, and so they tend to be desired by college admissions officers. Organizing car washes and book drives, doing volunteer work in groups of friends, and doing other “leadership” activities build character and shape moral citizens. Colleges want to admit active and involved students and citizens.</p>
<p>This is why the National Honor Society tends to be regarded as positive. When people join it just to slap it on a college application, however, they are defeating the purpose. Being the President or Secretary or Treasurer of National Honor Society means nothing if you do nothing. When you say that you are President of National Honor Society on your application, it usually looks good because the fact that you are president suggests that you are active and involved in the organization. This is generally true in a well-functioning National Honor Society.</p>
<p>In our school, the National Honor Society is a project in ruins. The people who assume leadership positions do next to nothing. The NHS chapter meets once a month, only to receive assignments for volunteering for a few hours. It’s a disgrace. I think that this is the situation in many high schools. A well-meaning organization falls under the leadership of individuals who have few leadership skills and who do things just to put it on a college application. Colleges are aware of this, and I think that many admissions officers have grown to be suspicious of people who say that they are on the National Honor Society, because unless the application says what the student has done, you can’t tell whether the student has the leadership skills and character that colleges want.</p>
<p>Being in the NHS can leave a positive impression, but only if you are active in it and state clearly what you did in the NHS. This can be done by explaining in your Common Application some of the important contributions you have made. This shows colleges that you have the character that they’re looking for.</p>
<p>In a perfect world, having a leadership position in NHS means something. But now that many NHS chapters have been filled with people who join just to look good, there have been many damaging consequences.</p>
<p>Also, whether you join or not doesn’t make or break your chances. Nowadays, just being on NHS carries very little weight.</p>
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i don’t have a new point. you have yet to refute the points that i made in my first post in this thread. all of your subsequent posts have actually been reaffirming what i said in my first post.</p>
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my point is why couldn’t you guys just solve the “problem” (which you have yet to clearly articulate) yourselves?</p>
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the only one here who is belittling the contributions of individuals to the Civil Rights Movement is you. oh yea, and since when was MLK not brave?</p>
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again you are attacking me not my arguments :). doing so only makes it more apparent that you are losing this argument. FYI, the term “college admissions game” has a negative connotation.</p>
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my posts are rather clear. since you are having a hard time understanding what i am saying i will summarize my posts in one sentence. **"NHS is what you make of it.<a href=“this%20is%20the%20case%20with%20EVERY%20THING%20in%20life!”>/b</a></li>
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just quoting this so that you can see how immature what you posted is. (notice i am not calling you immature; i am calling your post immature. this is how you argue politely. you don’t attack the character of whom you’re in disagreement with. doing so only makes you appear to be immature and desperate which is not how you want to appear if you are trying to win an argument :).)</p>
<p>EDIT:
dchow08 you are correct but i feel obligated to let the OP know that some people have had meaningful experiences with NHS and that anyone can have a great experience with NHS if he or she chooses to do so by taking the initiative to make that good, meaningful experience happen.</p>
<p>^I couldn’t agree with you more dchow.</p>
<p>Gosh, jack, I didn’t realize I was in it for the winning? Here I thought we were having fun arguing about nothing? Bummer. What do we get for winning jack? Since, clearly no one reading this except for you and I? Do I get a discount of my car insurance for winning?</p>
<p>“just quoting this so that you can see how immature what you posted is”
But how can I forget that your posts are divine revelation, while my defense to your attack is condemned to immaturity.</p>
<p>"“most of these kids complain about NHS not doing anything and how it’s worthless yet they are members. on top of that they don’t even try to work hard and improve their school’s chapter: usually because they do not have the leadership abilities and charisma to do so. so, seriously, please do not listen to these kids.” Newjack88</p>
<p>I’m just quoting this so you can see how hypocritical you are.</p>
<p>"again you are attacking me not my arguments "</p>
<p>What is your argument jack? Is this is your argument, “NHS is what you make of it”</p>
<p>LOL! No, it doesn’t jack. There are good NHS, and there are bad NHS. To claim that you can have a positive experience in a bad NHS because you can will it so is naive jack. We tried and fight for what we believe is right jack. We didnt lie down and say, “I enjoy this demeaning dictatorial oligarch of an organization.” Now, I’m not calling you naive, but your posts are naive jack. :):):):):):):):):)
(How much do you love smiley face anyway?) SO, did I sufficiently attack your argument for passive submission jack?</p>
<p>Since this has gone long enough, I say we make peace and cyber hug. And declare that I win by default and I can get my imaginary 150% car insurance discount as my imaginary prize…LOL, jk.</p>
<p>Newjack88, I agree with that last comment. Yes, I should have included that in my post. Anyone can have a great experience with NHS, as you say, as long as he or she is dedicated. Anything is what you make of it. College is what you make of it. A bad college experience can be a good experience if you actively try to make it a good experience. You are definitely right.</p>
<p>Wow, how could I miss this one?</p>
<p>Your first post, jack:
“don’t listen to all the CC’ers who say that NHS is worthless; they are just haters and idealists fighting the wrong/pointless/easy battles. most of these kids complain about NHS not doing anything and how it’s worthless yet they are members. on top of that they don’t even try to work hard and improve their school’s chapter: usually because they do not have the leadership abilities and charisma to do so. so, seriously, please do not listen to these kids.”</p>
<p>Your last post, jack:
“this is how you argue politely. you don’t attack the character of whom you’re in disagreement with. doing so only makes you appear to be immature and desperate which is not how you want to appear if you are trying to win an argument”</p>
<p>Yeah, sure jack! That is how you argue politely. You certainly cannot attack the character of whom you’re in disagreement with. Ha. Jack, you are too much. ;)</p>
<p>Reddune, the problems with what you just said are</p>
<p>(1) those “haters and idealists” on CC are not actually making any arguments, so “jack” is not using an ad hominem argument. That’s when you’re insulting the person you’re debating, rather than pointing out the faults of the argument itself
(2) this has absolutely nothing to do with NHS, and this is getting stupid.</p>
<p>^ It is getting stupid dchow8. It began to get stupid when jack attacked all of us who criticized NHS.</p>
<p>But I don’t get what you are saying here: “so “jack” is not using an ad hominem argument.” and “That’s when you’re insulting the person you’re debating.” Are you sure you have read the whole thread since the beginning? Maybe I’m blind or momentarily forgot my native tongue, but jack’s first post sounds awfully confrontattional and “insulting” those people whom he was debating. In another post I did point out to jack, “If you had said, “I disagree with some of the posters here, I think NHS serves an important role in high school and needs to be improved if it’s deficient.” If that was your post, we wouldn’t be having this conversation jack.”</p>
<p>what is this insult:</p>
<p>"“don’t listen to all the CC’ers who say that NHS is worthless; they are just haters and idealists fighting the wrong/pointless/easy battles. most of these kids complain about NHS not doing anything”</p>
<p>and this, </p>
<p>"on top of that they don’t even try to work hard and improve their school’s chapter: usually because they do not have the leadership abilities and charisma”</p>
<p>And no, I didn’t “insult” jack without “pointing out the faults of the argument itself,” I guess you didn’t read my second post. It had nothing against jack personally except for his first post.</p>
<p>The concept of NHS is completely ridiculous which is why I quit. It’s ridiculous that you have to have a certain GPA to be invited to a service that does community-service. Anyone can do community service on their o wn, you don’t need a certain GPA</p>
<p>Sure, I’m all for letting this for tic-for-tac duel with jack over a whole lot of nothing end, but he will be compeled to have the last word, and I’ll feel compel to have a rebuttal (incase you didn’t notice, I’m ultra competitive, and I’m sure jack is no different). Despite the fact that we both have run out of useful things to say after our first posts. And beside, I don’t think the OP didn’t get her answer because of our little debate, it’s almost unanimous consensus that NHS is not important for college. So the original purpose of this thread has been fulfilled already.</p>
<p>If you are on the fence about whether to apply to NHS, consider who the faculty sponsor is at your school. The faculty sponsor at our HS is one of my son’s favorite teachers and possibly the best teacher in the building. I think that whatever she is involved in would be enriching for the students. If the sponsor of your local chapter is someone who is not respected, or is someone you don’t like, you might want to take a pass.</p>
<p>Completely worthless</p>
<p>I don’t even bother listing it in half of my apps</p>
<p>at my school you have to have a certain gpa to be eligible. then you have to write all these essays and even some of those people aren’t picked… not worth the hassle imo</p>
<p>PROs:
There are some potential repurcussions though of not being a member of
NHS (implication you cheated/you did not have the GPA/You did not have community svc..hence impacts some of the end of Junior year awards) and
may vary from school to school but is there in a vieled form…?</p>
<p>CONs:
One can do beaucoup comunity service outside the NHS than within it
due to its organizational constraints. </p>
<p>Popularity during HS years seems to have very little to do with leadership/charisma and a lot more to do with cars/money/other habits…?</p>
<p>Adcoms are well informed people, they will know the worthlessness of
NHS.</p>