north cal versus so cal

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<p>croberts,</p>

<p>technically, Carlsbad is San Diego County. Places IN San Diego County are often referred to AS San Diego, just as people from Pasadena say they are from Los Angeles. Why? Because more people know San Diego.</p>

<p>Is the median price that high now? I don't even keep track anymore.</p>

<p>Also, 3 hours and 10 minutes from LA is rather ridiculous. I've made it back from LAX in less than 2 hours. You just have to be smart and not drive when you know it will be bad (the two rush hours, southbound on Fridays and Northbound on Sundays). You also have to learn to drive like a Californian, where any slower than 80 is too slow.</p>

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<p>The San Joaquin Valley ROCKS!</p>

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<p>See manderz there you go again trying to joust with me. First of all carlsbad is not sandiego like i said. its like 10 or 15 miles up the coast, and driving wise that is a mission down south in that bumper to bumper traffic. why some one would claim san diego as carlsbad is beyond me. how ever my guess would be because there are so many people from the east and midwest out there that always claim their suburbs as cities that i guess its just the thing to do. and 'learn to drive like a californian'? gimmie a break so cal is just like norcal, you guys can smash on 15 going north like we can on 680 going south in the bay area.</p>

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<p>for the record, I didn't do anything "again," I was backing up another poster.</p>

<p>People don't claim the suburbs as their cities. If I went to same, Houston, DC, NYC, Paris, etc. right now and said "I'm from Carlsbad, Del Mar, or Encinitas..." they'd be like, OK, that doesn't help me at all. If I said I'm from San Diego, ok, now that narrows it down a bit. </p>

<p>So many people from the east and midwest? Actually, I'd say about 65+% of my school has been here since at least their Kindergarten year- that's 13 years so it's pretty much as Californian as you can get. I say San Diego and I was born here, my dad has lived here for 50 years and my mom for 50 years. So I think that pretty much ends that theory.</p>

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<p>Manderz admitt defeat. quit trying to hang on to tangents. carlsbad is<em>not</em> san diego</p>

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<p>I grew up in san francisco and attended UCSD for undergrad. These are very different places. Like many others, I love the weather and beaches of san diego but perfer the people/diversity/culture of the bay area. Of course, this is a coarse statement. San Francisco is also beautiful and alluring in its own way and a couple of my best friends are San Diegans. I decided to go to UCSD because I wanted to live independently and expand my life experience. I think it was the first step which led me to venture further and further away from home. Now I am in England for grad school. I think no matter which school you end up choosing you will have a great time. Though I think the socal LACs are better quality than Santa Clara esp at the undergrad level. </p>

<p>As to the Carlsbad debate, I have side with manderz1. When people state 'San Diego', they are usually referring to San Diego County. Everyone from SD county says that they are from san diego. UCSD is in La Jolla and not San Diego city. Same is true for Carlsbad, Del Mar, etc etc. San Diego city is actually sort of democratic but when people say San Diego is conservative, they are referring to SD as a county. It is one of the most republican counties in California. Its just how the locals do it. Its different than the bay area. People would tell me they are from 'San Francisco.' I said I live in the Sunset district where do you live? and they said 'Oh, I am from Los Gatos'. Please! that is NOT San Francisco, just say you are from the bay area. I noticed that this is not true for San Diego. When you say you are from San Diego, they do not expect you to be from the city proper because everything is so spread out. San Diego city proper would be more likely to be stated as 'I am living downtown' or something.</p>

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<p>GradStudent: PRECISELY.</p>

<p>As someone who has lived here for 17 years, that has how it's always been. Very few people even live in city proper because San Diego is really not that big...</p>

<p>And so right on about the conservative thing! When I complain to my out-of-state friends our area is "too conservative" they all say, "YOU'RE CALIFORNIANS!"</p>

<p>haha.</p>

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<p>I agree about Carlsbad being part of greater San Diego, but San Diego itself is fairly big. Population-wise it's the second largest city in California and 6th or 7th largest in the nation. People often think the second city is San Franciso, but San Fancisco is only fourth largest in California.</p>

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<p>i'm from SoCal and live in Orange County and ppl here are rich spoiled ppl but i like the weather</p>

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<p>Right, coureur: LA, San Diego, San Jose, San Francisco, in that order. Those of us in the south bay wonder why everyone thinks SF is larger than SJ.</p>

<p>As a 7.5-year northern CA resident, I must sheepishly admit that while I have heard of Carlsbad, Del Mar, and Encinitas, I have no earthly clue where they are and would in no way have connected them with San Diego. If you are referring to that part of CA that is really pretty far south there, call it "San Diego" and the rest of the country is more likely to know where you mean. Before I moved to CA in '97, the geography of CA was a complete void to me, even as an educated easterner. I knew SF and LA were there, and sort of where they were, but that was about it. Don't assume CA fascinates the rest of the country the way it fascinates its residents. ;-)</p>

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<p>New York is not only a city, but a state. But New York state has the highest number of KKK out of any state. Betcha didn't know that huh? Some place called Albany. Anyways, I know so much huh? </p>

<p><em>pats myself on the back</em></p>

<p>neways, off to meet up wit my friends in downtown SF. peace.</p>

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<p>Mootmom - Yes, as someone who grew up in NY before moving to Calif. it is interesting how little the rest of the country really knows about California. Seems that everyone thinks California is just one huge beach with San Francisco on one end and Los Angeles at the other. I've had people from out of state come to visit me in San Diego and wonder if we could drive up to "see the Redwoods" for the day.</p>

<p>By the way, I live in a small town up in the mountains outside of San Diego --- and I definitely tell people who are NOT from California that I'm "from San Diego." As Manderz says, that's what MOST people who live in San Diego County would tell folks. It's the same as people saying they live in the "Bay Area." "San Diego" means the "San Diego area." Now, if I'm talking to someone who lives in San Diego county, I will specify my town and not say I live in San Diego. But, in general, I think most people who live in San Diego County also consider themselves "San Diegans."</p>

<p>I think this is partially because San Diego city limits are incredibly spread out - San Diego the city actually weaves in an out of a huge swath of land - from the Mexican Border to the Wild Animal park the city limits are probably about 50 miles from one end to the other. And, San Diego is also now the 6th LARGEST city in the U.S. in terms of population.</p>

<p>In any case, San Diego has a very different feel and outlook than Los Angeles and I cringe every time I hear people refer to "SoCal" as one giant entity. There is a huge amount of variety in "SoCal"</p>

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<p>I would say that the show Laguna Beach on MTV is a pretty accurate potrayal of most so cal kids. Even if you go inland you'll still find tons of seventeen year olds in SUVs and girls who have matured way too fast, there just isn't any beach or ocean-side homes.</p>

<p>edit- also, that's funny about the "hella" thing. I have a friend who just moved here from Fresno and she says it all of the time, and lately I catch myself saying it in my head too. oop!</p>

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<p>This post is hilarious. NorthCal vs. SoCal? It's California. You can't smoke outside. People live on cabbage. Everyone is blond. </p>

<p>Get over yourselves.</p>

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<p>I live in Irvine. Where? Heard of... UC... Irvine?</p>

<p>I've been in LA and yeah it is dirty and the crime rate is high... but if you want to see a good part of SoCal you should stop by Irvine... the crime in here is so low that I don't think a six year old girl walking alone at night would have anything to fear. The police don't really have anything to do so every month for about a day or two they just suddenly come out and pull people over for stupid violations like driving 30 mph around a school zone. My tennis coach said back when he went to UCI, some cop pulled him over for running a stop sign... on his bicycle.... funny stuff. </p>

<p>But yeah, some of the stereotypes are true. The cities surrounding Irvine are pretty poor and have a lot of illegal immigrants. There aren't that many in Irvine because the price of houses is insane. When I moved to Irvine 10 years ago (from Santa Ana), the house cost 260,000. Now it's value is at 650,000. But yeah, this town is pretty boring if you want to have real fun since the cops will bust you for stupid stuff like making too much noise because there aren't any burglars or muderers for them to catch. But since most people here are nerds and just study all the time, that doesn't really matter.</p>

<p>Irvine is about... 20 min? away from the beach, but I don't know a single surfer. It borders Newport Beach which everyone knows about if they've seen The OC.</p>

<p>Oh yeah, one final thing. It's mostly Asian and Whites here. There's like.... ten black people going to my school?</p>

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<p>...I go to Berkeley. I hate Hella. ...oh, how I hate Hella.</p>

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<p>"...Maria Shriver, you can come ova to my place if u get lonely." --California_Pride
:D LOL, best quote in this thead! </p>

<p>I've lived in NoCal for 27 years, and I've never said, "hella," "twenty-four-seven," "homey," or "a cannuh whoop ass." I can feel the vomit rising. </p>

<p>Danville is still in the Bay Area, last time I checked, anyway. I know that because I live just one town over from Danville. I have childhood friends from out-of-state who still think that I live in LA near the beach. When I lived in Santa Cruz and Berkeley during my college years, it was impossible to explain the difference between the area around Monterey and the San Francisco Bay Area. Now, I just say that I live in a little town near Oakland...which usually draws a blank stare. Berkeley, then...okay, I live in San Francisco, for chrissake. </p>

<p>There is a difference between SoCal and NoCal, but you have to come here, stay for a while, and experience it for yourself. I think most of us even tend to divide the giant middle of our state into Northern and Southern. South of Big Sur starts to feel like SoCal to me, thin-skinned, Northern California-ite that I am!</p>

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<p>Well, I can honestly say that I LOVE both Southern and Northern California. I live in L.A. (yes, actually inside the city). And I'll readily admit that Northern California as a whole is better than Southern California--perhaps because of the heavy liberal concentration up there?</p>

<p>I'll also readily admit that parts of the Los Angeles city and area certainly have some serious problems (i.e. crime, blight, poverty, bad school systems, etc.). Nevertheless, Los Angeles, the city and the surrounding area, is a beautiful place to live. There are neighborhoods within the city of Los Angeles that are not widely known. Whenever people think of L.A., people think of Disneyland (Orange County...), the glamour of Hollywood (Hollywood Hills, maybe?), Beverly Hills and the other snob-rich areas. But many know of the mixed-income, trendy liberal neighborhoods of Los Feliz, Silver Lake (center of the alt-rock scene in L.A.), Echo Park, Atwater Village and Eagle Rock (where Occidental College is located), where you'll find homes for sale ranging from the low 500,000s to the millions, and people of all socio-economic and ethnic backgrounds. These neighborhoods are in northeastern L.A., east of Hollywood and north of Downtown. Then there's also the Westside, an affluent group of west L.A. neighborhoods (also pretty liberal), including West Los Angeles, Westwood (where UCLA is located), Pacific Palisades, Cheviot Hills, and the neighboring city of Santa Monica--but it's pretty, umm, "Jamba Juice-Coffee Bean-Starbucks-ish" </p>

<p>THEN, there's Pasadena. ABSO-FREAKINGNG-LUTELY beautiful, it is. It borders the city of Los Angeles. Shoppin', and a-dinin' at its downtown, named "Old Town Pasadena," inarguably the single best city in the San Gabriel Valley.</p>

<p>Then there's sprawl in the San Fernando Valley. Complete wasteland. I'd rather live there than San Bernardino County or Riverside County, though.</p>

<p>Then there's San Bernardino County (smog-central)...yuck.</p>

<p>Then there's Riverside County</p>

<p>Then there's San Diego CITY is Beautiful.</p>

<p>Then there's Orange County (ehh, it's better than San Bernardino County. Ooh, the O.C.</p>

<p>Then there's Santa Barbara County--awesome! (I'm not sure if it's considered part of Southern California. It might be central California)</p>

<p>Oh. There's nothing wrong with being a conservative. I don't hate conservatives.</p>

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<p>dude, we're all californians, and the one thing that matters the most is that CALIFORNIA is the best state in the USA. </p>

<p>but yeah, So cal has much more stuff to do....and WAYY better sport teams ...but since i spent my early childhood in norcal (mountain view), the bay area will always be special to me....</p>

<p>i visit norcal a lot and the only drawback is hella...EVERYONE says hella there..its so damn annoying...</p>

<p>EDIT-im from irvine btw</p>

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"...Maria Shriver, you can come ova to my place if u get lonely." --California_Pride</p>

<p>LOL, best quote in this thead!

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<p>LOL! I completely agree with you SluggBugg. Myself, I was born in San Diego, lived a year in Death Valley, 18 years in Los Angeles, and 7 years in the Bay Area. It took me a while to realize that California is different from the rest of the US... and how different it was... </p>

<p>I think all the Danville, or Carlsbad talk is silly. Its probably because someone went to Danville or Carlsbad and had a bad experience or something, and just want to get them back... but damm... I love it here in the yay area, and it def need some LA spice to ward off powerful evil spirits and those that took Gavin's wife away...</p>