<p>I know most of what you said since I have analyzed the admit rates and patterns at Ivies, Chicago, MIT, Caltech as well as NU and the difference in sex can make at Caltech and MIT admit rates but I must say - Ozarks and 10% still makes zero difference to me. </p>
<p>CWRU admit rate drop seems to have a major impact to an entire school in Illinois.</p>
<p>CWRU attracts a high-scoring student body despite relatively high admit rates. It offers very generous merit aid. Both the number of scholarships and the average amounts are among the highest of all top 100 schools. So it is worth considering as a match or safety if you’re aiming for very selective schools, but are ineligible for need-based aid and don’t have a public university you like in your own state.</p>
<p>6-year graduation rate:
Case Western 81%
The Ohio State University 75%</p>
<p>Freshmen in top 10% of HS class:
Case Western 65%
The Ohio State University 53%</p>
<p>Students whose need was fully met:
Case Western 91.9%
The Ohio State University 25.9%</p>
<p>Average percent of need met:
Case Western 87%
The Ohio State University 58%</p>
<p>So what? Apples to oranges. Proves nothing. Just like your data.</p>
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<p>More than in Cleveland???</p>
<p>In terms of prestige alone, definitely:</p>
<p>Northwestern >> NYU >>>>> Case Western</p>
<p>(Please don’t make a comment about how Case might have a better education in something, because OP asked about prestige alone).</p>
<p>Education-wise though, I think it goes
Northwestern >> Case Western = NYU (for different things)</p>
<p>Northwestern is hands down the best. They have many top notch programs in almost everything (engineering, medicine, journalism, etc…). Case Western is probably better than NYU for engineering since NYU doesn’t even have engineering XD but NYU is better for business and humanities. I believe their math department is pretty well respected as well.</p>
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<p>If you’re talking about the school I referenced in my post, probably not, because so few typically enrolled anyway. What affected D’s school was the drop in admit rate at Northwestern. 2010, 39 of 81 were admitted; 2011, 14 of 79.</p>
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<p>Okay … but only if all the other posters pledge never, ever to answer a question of the “is College X better than College Y” based on prestige-based rankings like USNWR.</p>
<p>Haha annasdad I never answer based on USNWR 
unless maybe they’re asking about networking/prestige. </p>
<p>I think what school has the best education really depends on the person though unless we’re talking about huge gaps.</p>
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<p>That makes two of us. Looking at the overwhelming volume of posts on CC, we’re very much in the minority.</p>
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<p>Bing bing bing bing bing! Correct answer!</p>
<p>(Of course, if everybody believed that, it would cut the message volume on CC down by two-thirds - no, wait, there would still be “chance me, I’ll chance back!”)</p>
<p>Prestigious schools are hooks in terms of job opportunities, however aren’t the deciding factor. However, many elite colleges do have well-educated men, who are very successful in job fields.</p>
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I have to admit that I’ve never visited Cleveland, but the Hastily Made Tourism videos are hilarious. “At least we’re not Detroit!”</p>
<p>Wow thanks guys. I probably shouldve stated that I was looking into the BS/MD program at Case XD but thats okay. Somebody mentioned that it’s close (in prestige and in educational opportunity) to University of rochester, which is actually closer to where I live. I just wanted to know CWRU and CMU cuz my friend (who is going to MIT for engineering!) was considering those at one point.
Somebody also mentioned that grad school is more important than undergrad (at least when considering job opportunities). i know US News isn’t THAT accurate, but CWRU med school is #22, and U of R is #32. That really doesn’t matter to me actually, cuz US News is stupid anyway.</p>
<p>Apparently Rochester and Case consider themselves to be peers. They did a number of admissions joint road shows around the country earlier in the summer. </p>
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<p>Apparently Rochester and Case consider themselves to be peers. They jointly did a number of admissions road shows around the country earlier in the summer. </p>
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<p>Rochester and Case are indeed peers. They both belong in the University Athletic Association NCAA Division III. A conference that includes Rochester, Case, Emory, NYU, Chicago, CMU, WUSTL and Brandeis. These are schools that compete with each other all the time and the conference was formed because they were seeking schools of their peers to compete with.</p>
<p>I really do not understand the bashing of Case on this post. In my opinion, Case is better than NYU for UNDERGRAD. The school has a student to faculty ratio of 9:1. The same as Rochester and Brandeis and better than NYU’s 11:1 (even tho this is insignificant). It has much focus on undergrads, something that I think NYU cannot really claim that they are better than. The school is a heaven for health sciences and premeds because of the close proximity to the great medical school and the Cleveland Clinic and University Hospitals(which is in the same undergrad campus with the medical school). They also have one of the best BME programs in the Nation. </p>
<p>Yes NYU has great grad programs. But having been in college and knowing what I know now about big state universities and small liberal arts schools, the quality of graduate programs is hardly an accurate measure of the kind of education an UNDERGRAD will receive from a university. I am convinced that any reputable program, WITH excellent undergraduate students can educate anybody greatly and then send them off to those great graduate programs.</p>
<p>Even though Case has higher admission rate than NYU and Rochester, that does not mean anything. Compare the statistics of the students that do enroll in the three schools, you will notice that they are essentially the same. </p>
<p>I keep up with Rochester’s president’s updates on the University, when ever he mentions peer Universities that the school compares themselves to, Case is amongst them. He actually uses the whole UAA.</p>
<p>Also to answer the person above me. Case’s Medical school is actually very renowned. More so than Rochester’s AND NYU’s.</p>
<p>I recall seeing Case Western’s 2011 acceptance rate, of 48%, posted in a couple different places, including here:</p>
<p>[GoLocalProv</a> | Lifestyle | College Admissions: Top Trends from 2011](<a href=“GoLocalProv | College Admissions: Top Trends from 2011”>GoLocalProv | College Admissions: Top Trends from 2011)</p>
<p>Another site got even more specific (6,526 / 13,527 = 48.24%): </p>
<p>[Acceptance</a> Rates IVY HAZ](<a href=“http://ivyhaz.com/?page_id=130]Acceptance”>http://ivyhaz.com/?page_id=130)</p>
<p>annasdad - sounds like NU has started treating your school closer to their national average, 1 out 5.7 kids admitted. Time to get your school counselor to make a push at NU for this year to increase the ratio.</p>
<p>If CWRU admitted only 48%, they seem to have done about the same level with your school too.</p>
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<p>How is the USNWR ranking “prestige-based”?
Its factors include graduation & freshman retention, faculty resources, student selectivity, financial resources, graduation rate performance, and the alumni-giving rate . These factors are all numbers-driven.</p>
<p>If you’re referring to the PA scores and Counselor ratings (which together account for 22.5% of the score), these are supposed to be a rating of the schools’ reputation for undergraduate academic excellence. We really don’t know what goes on in the minds of each rater; this component of the rankings may or may not be “prestige-based”, whatever that means.</p>
<p>Some of the other rankings (Kiplinger, stateuniversity.com, Washington Monthly) do not use PA or other subjective survey scores, so I don’t know how they might be considered prestige-based.</p>
<p>Here is how I would rank colleges: How much does the college contribute to the life-long welfare of its graduates (economic and otherwise, with the emphasis on the otherwise), and how well do those graduates through the lives that they live contribute to the well-being of the planet and its inhabitants?</p>
<p>Now, surely you will protest, there’s no way to measure that.</p>
<p>Exactly. Which is the reason that the whole college-ranking/rating idea is nonsense.</p>
<p>Poster 49 had it exactly right: what is best for each individual is an individual decision. Just because Harvard is ranked #1 by somebody using arbitrary criteria does not mean that it is #1 for everyone. For some people, it would be a terrible choice. For some students, taking into account their entire need set, Northern Illinois University may be a better choice than Harvard.</p>
<p>I realize this rains on all the parades of those with vested interests in upholding the honor of their prestigious universities. My answer to that is, buy an umbrella.</p>
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<p>Posts exhibiting excessive ignorance are an Internet phenomenon, especially when the posters enjoy anonymity.</p>
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<p>Actually, for 2011, Case’s admission rate for applicants for my D’s school was 57% (25/44) and for Rochester 70% (14/20). That is the first time that Case has been that low or Rochester that high.</p>