Northwestern over......

Colleges and Universities A-Z Northwestern University
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<p>OK wintersilk, your rationality concluded there...</p>

<p>1.) If I was a wildcat wanna-be, why would I choose ND over it? That makes no sense. I just don't like people automatically discarding Notre Dame as a premier university. If I wanted to be a wildcat, I would have ****ing chose it. </p>

<p>2.) Just because I post on this forum from time to time doesn't mean that it is all that I do with my life. I already know many people from ND. Come on dude.</p>

<p>3.) You completely contradicted yourself. You said that this would be last time you would ever read something written by me, then proceeded to say that if this continued, you would assume I am a Wildcat wanna-be. How would you know if it continues unless you read it? </p>

<p>In conclusion, you hit the nail on the head. I'm going to ND because I am a wildcat wanna-be, and the only way I can take it out is by bashing ND...</p>

<p>GOOD ONE DUDE</p>

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<p>Totally rad dude</p>

<p>ND Cowabunga</p>

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<p>I wonder if I made the right decision in choosing UIUC? It's all very confusing. Tell me what you guys think. I applied to UIUC, NU, Emory, ND, UChicago, UPenn, Loyola, and UIC GPPA. I got rejected at UIC GPPA. I got waitlisted at UChicago and UPenn, but I rejected both after the waitlist. I got full-ride scholarships for UIC Regular and Loyola. But I also won a scholarship that gave me free tuition at UIUC for one year. In the end, I was paying 25,000 per yr at NU, ND, and Emory and decided that this was too much. I was trying to decide whether to go for pre-med at NU or UIUC. But then I chose UIUC (b/c of the scholarship and AP credits counted). But UIUC is 24,000 in loans for the next three yrs (if i don't get any more scholarships). So...did I make the right decision in choosing UIUC?</p>

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<p>honestly, i dont think you did. UIUC would of been a good decision if you were going into engineering. i NU wins in almost everything else. im not an expert but i feel that you would have way better med school chances at NU than UIUC. i turned down UIUC Business Honors Program (partial scholarship) for NU. if money is that big of a deal, then of course you made the right decision b/c debt sucks and even more debt blows.</p>

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<p>It's okay. I am beginning to really like the programs offered at UIUC. I guess you have to make the best with what you have :).</p>

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<p>First of all, can we get this EPlayer douche banned for trolling? This kind of behavior should be unacceptable on any type of forum.</p>

<p>NU over:
USC
NYU (CAS)</p>

<p>EPlayer, go read post #156 again. Once you've read it, READ IT AGAIN. NO ONE LIKES YOU HERE. LEAVE. Unless you have something to contribute, your being here is meaningless and burdensome to most of us.</p>

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<p>someone29, dont get me wrong, UIUC is a great school. i loved it when I visited and I could honestly see myself there. you'll probably do well there.</p>

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At this point is everyone just trying to say Notre Dame is a bad school?

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<p>Looks like it. After reading through this entire thread (and having no bias one way or another), it looks like Eplayer had his opinion, made it known, and was attacked by a bunch of die-hard NU fans who said Notre Dame isn't even a peer school to NU. Then Eplayer went CRAZY and started cussing everyone out (bad move), but his argument is still valid. If you're going to say NU is as good as Duke and the difference is only 6 spots or so on USNews, you can't immediately discount the idea that Notre Dame is as good as NU if the difference is only 8 spots or so. That's ****ty logic.</p>

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<p>uh oh. and now it begins again. he not only went crazy with cussing but all he started talking about was football. i cant believe you're defending this guy.</p>

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i cant believe you're defending this guy.

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<p>You should re-read my post carefully. I'm not defending him, but his argument.</p>

<p>Whether you like him or not, the logic of his argument is sound and it seems equally true that Northwestern people are getting mad that he would even consider comparing Notre Dame to Northwestern. That's sad.</p>

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<p>NU seems to suffer from an inferiority complex for some reason. I'm not sure why that is because it is a great school with a wonderful reputation and many people want to attend. The campus is beautiful if you think it is. Evanston is great if you like it. Chicago is a wonderful city if you like a city like Chicago. </p>

<p>No place is perfect. No place is perfect for everyone. Some people want to come to NU, others want to go elsewhere and each of us has our own reasons for applying. </p>

<p>Just about anyone would be defensive when their chosen school is being attacked. It's human nature and it's not very nice, is it, to criticize someone else's chosen university?</p>

<p>My objection to EPlayer is that he seemed to be deliberately taking the wind out of the sails of those of us who are excited to matriculate there. It's really pretty lame to troll and criticize the school. I'm glad he's going to Notre Dame and not NU. I am thankful he won't be on campus.</p>

<p>Just ignore him and let this particular part of the thread die. I just looked back and it doesn't seem like EPlayer has even been here in a while, but the antagonistic commentary has been resurrected. It's pretty unpleasant and I am being robbed of some enthusiasm by the banter. I haven't started school yet and I'm excited about coming and this thread is not exactly uplifting. Let it go.</p>

<p>NU doesn't need to be defended. It can stand proudly on its own merits.</p>

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<p>Except by that logic, brand, Notre Dame is also a peer of Duke.

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peer1 /pɪər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[peer] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a person of the same legal status: a jury of one's peers.
2. a person who is equal to another in abilities, qualifications, age, background, and social status.
3. something of equal worth or quality: a sky-scraper without peer.
4. a nobleman.
5. a member of any of the five degrees of the nobility in Great Britain and Ireland (duke, marquis, earl, viscount, and baron).
6. Archaic. a companion.

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And of course, if just 6 spots down or so is a peer, then UCLA is a peer of Notre Dame (I agree), and NU (errr....) and *Duke<a href="yah...%20no">/I</a>. But lets say it was! Again by the original logic(which you claim is valid), Lehigh is a peer of UCLA (ok) and therefore also of Notre Dame (I don't think so) and also of NU (definitely not) and also of, again, Duke! Quod erat demonstrandum.</p>

<p>Your argument falls under the auspices of the logical fallacy known as "the slippery slope". The number of spaces on the list is irrelevant for indicating a school's peers. What determines a school's peers is a variety of factors, but if you assume that the rankings from US News are a valid metric for that, you have to assume they would, if plotted for academic excellence/ reputation, be in a bell curve, with a clumping and minor differentiation towards the top and a rapid drop off as the main body of points is reached.</p>

<p>I don't mean to indicate that Notre Dame is necessarily not a direct peer of NU, that is certainly debatable, and since I'm not intimately familiar with Notre Dame beyond statistics, reputation, faculty, and students, I can't give a fair opinion. But EPlayer 's logic was severely flawed- he was a troll. You shouldn't defend him, and you needn't to defend Notre DAme. In fact, you and ND would be better served if you didn't.</p>

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<p>holy s*** ppl. nu and nd r both great schools. stop this crap and be rational</p>

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<p>actually arbiter you make a very good point. so long as you or no other member claims that NU is a peer school to Duke based on their proximity on the USNews rankings, it becomes safe to use different measures and dispute the argument that Notre Dame is a peer to NU. However, as people were claiming that NU is a peer to Duke because it was only 6 spots lower and this distance was negligible, the same argument could be made for NU and Notre Dame, as was done. Using different metrics works fine. Basically we've proven that one of the original arguments for why NU is a peer to Duke falls apart under further scrutiny.</p>

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<p>this is because although NU is a great school , it really is NOT on the same level as duke....they may have many cross-admits...but generally NU will be a safety to the average duke student. and i dont mean "safety" in the same way that i would for a state school. more like duke will be most people's reach, while NU is more easily attainable.</p>

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<p>Don't fall into interpol32's trap. Let's just go back to where it belongs:</p>

<p>Northwestern over:</p>

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<p>i dont think you can say School A is a peer school to School B off of US News either. I think schools are peers because what they offer to their students are very similar. Duke is a peer school to NU, just as a bunch of other schools.</p>

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<p>interpol - that's crap and you know it. </p>

<p>NU's admission rate this year was ~25% and Duke's was ~21%. The midrange of SATs are also only about 30 points higher than NU.</p>

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<p>Northwestern over......</p>

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<p>it's not all about sat scores and stats....the quality of student often hinders on honors, awards, and superior extra curriculars.</p>