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And if you go to UChicago, you may become just as dumb as they are.
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<p>Wow, that's as far as I needed to read to realize that you're an idiot.</p>
<p>Let's each give our honest opinions here--is this particular thread 'the worst thread ever' on this board?</p>
<p>Before reaching a conclusion, I suggest reviewing the thread.
The acrimony, venom, and scorn!</p>
<p>Truly, I hope that it survives as an historical document.</p>
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Let's each give our honest opinions here--is this particular thread 'the worst thread ever' on this board?
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<p>Not even close.</p>
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The acrimony, venom, and scorn!
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<p>I hope that's not directed towards me. I typically don't throw names out, but when someone says something so ignorant and biased, I have to give him a label. :D</p>
<p>Absolutely not directed at you, brand_182--I know you to be good.</p>
<p>More a generality.</p>
<p>people were just chilling, answering the questions about the differences between the two schools and saying to check out both of them until someone came in and said "chicago = hyps, northwestern = public school"</p>
<p>chicago is arguably as good as hyps. so is NU, but NU is big 10 and the other 10 teams in the division (while fiarly strong academically) are publics so NU should be compared to public schools. </p>
<p>Also, is it fair to compare Chicago with MIT. Both are very academically oriented schools, both are very competitive, and both have students who spend a lot of time studying. MIT is more engineering based and Chicago is more humanities/liberal arts based. Both schools have solid science programs (MIT may have better research) and top econ programs (Chicago slightly winning there). If my assertion is true, why do people bash Chicago, but say nothing about MIT? Is it becasue MIT is the best for engineering and science, but Chicago is equal to the Ivys, WASP and other top schools for humanities?</p>
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Absolutely not directed at you, brand_182--I know you to be good.
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<p>Ok...just want to make sure I'm not offending you. I try to remain civil, although some people test my patience (as well as everyone else's, I'm sure).</p>
<p>"but NU is big 10 and the other 10 teams in the division (while fiarly strong academically) are publics so NU should be compared to public schools."</p>
<p>that might be the biggest non sequitur i've ever read on these boards</p>
<p>and chicago and MIT are not very similar schools like you say, nor are they peer institutions, really. Chicago undergrad is not equivalent to hyps for humanities</p>
<p>I think both NU and U of Chicago can expect applications to drop next year based on fans of both universities behaving like dorks here. And believe me, I know a thing or two about behaving like a dork.</p>
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And believe me, I know a thing or two about behaving like a dork.
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<p>Lmao. Nice.</p>
<p>If you did not realize the sarcasm and irony of my post, that is unfortunate. It is the UChicago crowd who hijacked this thread and started bashing NU, not the other way around.</p>
<p>If you read my post carefully, you'd realize that I was not insulting the institution of UChicago at all, but rather the closed-minded people on here who senselessly bash NU because of their egos.</p>
<p>An "embrassment to Rice?" You know nothing of my contributions to the Rice community. You probably haven't even been to Rice in the past decade. Your posts are simply very offensive, slanderous, and tactless.</p>
<p>I'm sorry Brand 182 if my post came off as ignorant or biased. I was not insulting the institution of UChicago, merely making judgements on the NU bashers here based on their posts I read.</p>
<p>This thread should probably be ended.</p>
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I'm sorry Brand 182 if my post came off as ignorant or biased. I was not insulting the institution of UChicago, merely making judgements on the NU bashers here based on their posts I read.
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<p>That's fine...you should just realize how your statements are made. When I read this: </p>
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<p>I got the impression that you were saying one would become stupid if they went to Chicago. If that was not your intention, then I retract my statement.</p>
<p>Peter Parker- I go to Rice quite frequently. My daughter is a senior there. I'm glad you are a contributor to the community.
Comparing Northwestern to Michigan is far from insulting. I'm surprised anyone would take it that way. I did not bash Northwestern at all. I think it is an excellent school with an excellent reputation. Only someone quite insecure and defensive would take it that way. I expressed my opinion on the issue of reputation and prestige. I believe I am entitled to do that. That is not "bashing".
If you review the thread, it was NOT the Chicago folks who began the personal attacks.</p>
<p>I am a freshman here at Northwestern, and a significant number of my friends chose NU over Chicago. I believe more ppl choose NU over Chicago than the other way around.</p>
<p>MomofWC,</p>
<p>If you review the thread, you should see you are the one that stirred things the most. First, you wrote:</p>
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Northwestern is excellent but not in the same league
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Chicago gets you in the same doors as does HYP. Northwestern gets you in the same doors as Michigan and UCLA.
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<p>Of course you are entitled to your opinion. But you can't deny yours is quite controversial to many on this board. It's not backed by available stats (placement to Harvard law school, Yale law schoo, # Fortune 500 CEOs...where Chicago lags far behind HYP and it's nowhere to be found in the list of schools producing the most CEOs). People say HYPMS, not HYPMS"C" (C for Chicago). There are many Chicago vs WashU vs Northwestern..threads but ther's almost never a Chicago vs Harvard thread. Just saying "you've been practicing law..blah blah for 20+ years" isn't gonna cut it. When you made a bold generalization like that, you should provide data to back it up. </p>
<p>Threads often turn ugly when people make blanket generalization without any hard evidence to support it.</p>
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I am taking 4 courses but they are mostly reading intensive. My problem sets have been easy (so far) and the bulk of the reading I do at night in the house lounge. I am surprised at how easy I have it this quarter, althoguh I am constantly hearing the groans of my floormates in harder classes.
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A lot of stuff is overrated. I have 4 classes and did absolutely nothing in high school and I am managing quite fine. The only one that is causing any problems is spanish because I have never taken it before and we have a quiz every class and our entire class was in spanish from day 1 (not that big of a deal if you have taken it before, but it was 101 and it was me and a bunch of asian kids with 0 spanish experience).
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<p>Seems like peter_parker may be right:
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In terms of prestige, Chicago wins hands down in my opinion. It is a unique, very intellectual university. Northwestern is excellent but not in the same league
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<p>This comment is entirely laughable. Yes - UoChicago is seen as more of an egghead school while NU is seen more as a pre-professional school (a la Stanford and Duke), but to employers, grad schools and the general public they are seen as peer institutions.</p>
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Chicago also has more prestige in the business and legal world. The schools are very different. One is a Big Ten school with DI athletics. One is a DIII school with intense academics and faculty beyond compare. </p>
<p>Chicago gets you in the same doors as does HYP. Northwestern gets you in the same doors as Michigan and UCLA.
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<p>Really what world are you living in? There is no difference in how the business or legal world view grads from both schools (if anything, the egghead rep hurts since corporations/wall street are also interested in people with social/personal skills).</p>
<p>And the whole Big Ten/Div I-A athletics argument is baseless and weak (esp. coming from an attorney).</p>
<p>I guess since Stanford and Duke are in major Div I-A conferences that it automatically means that they are inferior to UoChicago (same goes for all the Ivies since they are Div I-AA and not Div III).</p>
<p>And lets not forget that UoC was a FOUNDING member of the Big Ten and still has academic ties with the conference (if you follow MoWCs logic UoC was a weaker school before it left the conf. in 1946 - when arguably, tbe opposite is true).</p>
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I am a mom, a lawyer and an executive who has been in the workforce many years. I have hired many people. Northwestern is an excellent school. I'm sorry you don't like what I am saying, but the simple fact is that Chicago has more prestige. Frankly, I personally don't place a lot of value on prestige, but I have a lot of other knowledge about schools. Many people don't, and just go on reputation.
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<p>And I (and many people I know) have recruited for law firms and wall street and grads from both schools are viewed in basically the same light.</p>
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Before you accuse me of posting "ridiculous" things, maybe you should compare your experiences to mine.
My law degree is from Chicago. It STILL opens doors for me just because of the "name". I think it is kind of silly, but it is a fact.
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<p>Right and doors dont open for grads from Northwestern Law or Kellogg (btw, I thought this debate was about undergrads).</p>
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Isn't Northwestern a Big Ten school? What else is it I said that is wrong.
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<p>Once again this is an asinine or ridiculous argument. Isnt Stanford a Pac-10 school? And yet, Stanford is generally seen as being more prestigious than UoC.</p>
<p>Has UoC magically become more prestigious since leaving the Big Ten? </p>
<p>Are you sure you a UoC Law grad? Most UoC Law grads I know get all the facts and apply them correctly before they proffer an argument.</p>
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No need to be so defensive. My opinions are quite current. I am not saying any one program is better than the other in a particular area. I am not discussing law school, business school or philosophy departments. All I am saying is that the general perception, in my opinion, is that UChicago is a more prestigious school than Northwestern.
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<p>Then why bring up the fact that your law degree opens doors? And please dont confuse your opinion with that of the general publics.</p>
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elsijfdl - You better learn to read what people are actually saying or it isn't going to matter WHAT school you go to. Get your head out of your a$$. My opinion had nothing to do with law school. Unlike you, I am capable of understanding written words and am quite aware that we are discussing the prestige of the undergraduate degree. My opinion is different from yours. Deal with it. Prestige isn't going to get you very far anyway, so don't worry about it.</p>
<p>How can I be arrogant and rude and make bland statements at the same time?
I'm just responding in kind. I get tired of the lack of reading comprehension and occasionally can't resist pointing it out. Consider it a learning experience.
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<p>Coming from MoWC these comments are hilarious.</p>
<p>A person making a choice btwn these 2 schools really can't make a mistake (with regard to how employers, grad schools, etc. view their degrees) - however, whether one fits in with the "personalities" of these institutions is another matter.</p>
<p>MoWC is hilariously biased. Honestly, I'm glad I don't have parents like that.</p>
<p>This whole thread seems to be one big, giant splitting of hairs. Both NU and UChicago fans have acted like fools. They're peer institutions; get over it. It seems like the people with the real axe to grind are the UChicago supporters, the NU supporters tend to concede that their beloved institution is a peer of UChicago's, NOT that NU is thousands of times better than UChicago (which is what the UC people claim about their school). </p>
<p>In terms of total irrationality, the UChicago people have won, albeit slightly. Comparing the academic quality and prestiege of an instutition to its peers in its athletic conference? Please... that's a horribly flawed analogy. </p>
<p>Both institutions are excellent. Both are so good that trying to determine which one is better is probably impossible. And trying to determine which one is better is itself hair-splitting. And insisting that one is in a completely different league from the other is 1) unfair 2) wrong.</p>
<p>So let the hair splitting end.</p>