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<p>Actually, it’s not so much subjective as emphasizing diff. things.</p>
<p>Int’l rankings pretty much totally ignores strength of study body w/ research being the prime basis for rankings whereas rankings like USNWR takes a hybrid view - taking both into account.</p>
<p>That’s why schools like Dartmouth and Brown (which aren’t as big in research) tend to do relatively poorly in the int’l rankings - but would do really well in rankings based on strength of student body.</p>
<p>Hi everyone,</p>
<p>I was about to make a new thread but figured that since this one’s already here, I might as well use it.</p>
<p>So I’m in a situation similar to Mistasuggs’s. I applied to UMich and was accepted pre-admit to Ross, and I’m waiting on Northwestern and a couple other places. I know for a fact that I want to go into business, and from reading all the posts it looks like Northwestern and Ross compare well. From what I know, though, Ross tends to rank higher on recruiter lists than Northwestern, and I’d personally pick Ross over NU if it weren’t for major parental pressure and financial aid issues (unfortunately, I’m OOS for UMich).</p>
<p>But maybe that’s because I’ve been hearing a lot from Michigan people lately. Can someone here convince me that NU’s a better fit so I don’t pull all my hair out over FA and parents, if I do get accepted?</p>
<p>We could, if we knew what sorts of things you’re looking for in a college other than “sure I’m going into business.”</p>
<p>I’m not entirely sure myself, because (believe it or not) I’ve never gone to college before. I do know that I’d love a mature, motivated, and ambitious student body. Other than that, I have no specific preferences for location/size/etc since I prefer to judge through experience. Getting other people’s opinions beforehand helps with the choices though.</p>
<p>You are gonna be surrounded by a mature, motivated, and ambitious student body at NU; NU’s average SAT is higher than even Ross’ average.</p>
<p>Study hard to get into Kellogg cert program which places better and teaches more advanced materials than Ross.</p>
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<p>You’d fit right in at NU :D</p>
<p>Lol, okay that’s the decision then. NU it is.</p>
<p>^Not sure if you’re joking more or not, but I would say you have to visit to see. The NU student body is probably, on average, more “serious” than the average Michigan student (at least according to the Michigan boosters in this thread’s reports of the party scenes at the respective schools).</p>
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<p>The above is not at all consistent with the recent poll of CEOs at the top 150 companies worldwide, ranking schools at which they recruit, recently published in the NY Times. Northwestern was ranked #6 worldwide, versus UMich at #52.</p>
<p>[Education</a> - Image - NYTimes.com](<a href=“Education - Image - NYTimes.com”>Education - Image - NYTimes.com)</p>
<p>No worries, I’m joking–I haven’t even been accepted yet, so I can’t exactly make that decision this early. And yeah, I was thinking about visiting during April vacation if I get the chance.</p>
<p>Sam Lee–I didn’t know about the Kellogg cert program until looking it up just now! My poor research skills, haha. Thanks a bunch, it looks pretty neat.</p>
<p>MomCares–Oh, that looks interesting. I haven’t seen that before. Thanks! But why is Penn at 24? It’s home to Wharton after all…</p>
<p>^My guess is it’s probably easier to get more interviews as a Ross student than an average student at Northwestern. Ross is kinda an honors program at UMich and recruiters will pay more attention to you because of that. At NU, you’ll need to have a decent GPA (do better than average) to get the same amount of attention.</p>
<p>Getting into MMSS or Kellogg certificate would have similar effect. Kellogg certificate further differentiates yourself because it shows you have the intellect to master advanced materials in finance or managerial analytics (these are masters level courses). To get into Kellogg cert, you’ll need to complete a set of pre-reqs before applying. It’s not hard to get in if you finish the pre-reqs with decent grades.</p>
<p>One of my good friends picked MMSS over Wharton. It’s hard to compare subsections of schools to entire schools, or even special programs between universities.</p>
<p>Even though I’m not doing engineering, when I visited Northwestern and went on the tour, my tour guide told me some very impressive stories about the Engineering school. It really seems to prepare you for the real world.</p>
<p>Nope, Northwestern. Evanston is pretty dead compared to Ann Arbor. Though compared to where UChicago is, Evanston is super nice. But no, I was comparing the 2 environments. You have dozens of late night eateries in Ann Arbor, in Evanston you have Burger King, And if you live on the northern part of campus it is far</p>
<p>Ross graduates do very well getting employment. I think they have statistics, but not sure if they are public or not. Northwestern doesn’t have an undergraduate business school, Kellogg certificate does not compare to a degree in business with a concentration in a particular area.</p>
<p>I agree with your first post re: eateries (though there are other late night options for delivery and on campus), but your point about the Kellogg cert vs. ross is inaccurate.</p>
<p>I’m in a predicament similar to the OP’s…I have to decide between engineering at NU and UofM. I’m finding this decision to be extremely difficult, especially because I’ve grown up a Michigan fan and my entire family is putting on a lot of pressure for Michigan. However, I fell in love with NU when I visited in November. I can’t decide!</p>
<p>NYerr,</p>
<p>I second arbiter; I think you have some misconception about Kellogg certificate. Let me give you an overview here. Kellogg cert, while much narrower, is considerably more advanced than Ross undergad. </p>
<p>Like typical undergrad business curriculum - Ross undergrad program is a mile wide but only an inch deep, with one or two basic courses in variety of areas. A lot of materials cover in those areas can be readily learned on the job, at least at the level taught in those undergrad business schools. That’s why a lot of top schools, including NU, do not believe in the value of business degrees at the undergrad level. You only need a semester of calculus as far as math goes; that should tell you the level of complexity.</p>
<p>But at the Kellogg cert program, students focus on one area (either Financial Economics or Managerial Analytics) taught at <em>graduate-level</em>, with the goal of developing the analytical tools and models needed to make business decisions. Even the pre-reqs are highly quantitative. The skills developed are much more specialized and in demand; each student still has his/her own major, so the knowledge and skills from this program are tagged onto the liberal-arts or engineering education he/she receive. So you get the best of both world.</p>
<p>Last year, the program sent couple students to the Rotman School of Management International Trading Competition; they placed fourth even though most other teams consist of MBA, masters, or even PhD students.
<a href=“http://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/Certificate/newsrepository/rotmanawards.aspx[/url]”>http://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/Certificate/newsrepository/rotmanawards.aspx</a></p>
<p>^Just found out the result for this year. They placed 7th. All the teams in the top-5 are from graduate financial engineering or financial mathematics programs.</p>
<p>LJgoblue – fwiw, my D had the same situation last year in deciding between engineering at Michigan and NU (amongst others). Basically, she fell in love with the NU campus and Hated Michigan’s size. She’s happy at NU now.</p>
<p>IMHO – if you’re a Michigan Resident, the difference in tuition would be very very tempting. Otherwise one could make arguments for either school.</p>