<p>This link does have pictures. Which leads me to thinking, what are these young women thinking?</p>
<p>Some of these women might be doctors, lawyers, journalists, business executives, and mothers someday. Do these women want a permanent record of their college activites that anybody can see?</p>
<p>????</p>
<p>Doesn't look like a big deal to me. They're all adults.</p>
<p>Do you define adults simply as people who don't have to live by rules?</p>
<p>What are they doing that's so bad? Geez, give 'em a break. I don't see anything illegal going on.</p>
<p>There is a group of leading business and other leaders that get together in the California woods and engage in some pretty weird stuff. Bonding rituals often look somewhat strange when taken out of context.</p>
<p>"What are they doing that's so bad? Geez, give 'em a break. I don't see anything illegal going on."</p>
<p>Nothing inherently bad. But what is indeed VERY bad is that they fully understood their institutions' rule, and consciously chose to ignore them. If that's what makes them adults, there is a problem in river city.</p>
<p>Mini--so down with The Man. What happended to your inner rebel?</p>
<p>Barrons, all these kids at an elite school, and their behavior is no different than other kids. I thought they spend all their time at college discussing life's meaning. :)</p>
<p>Sorry, I forget the true meaning of elite. No moment wasted without seeking self-improvement and or truth and beauty.</p>
<p>:) :) :) Lol</p>
<p>"Mini--so down with The Man. What happended to your inner rebel?"</p>
<p>I save my "inner rebel" for something worthwhile, like overthrowing the neo-capitalist, corporate-socialist state. In my inner self, of course. ;)</p>
<p>"But Sir, you are The Man-so you are putting it to yourself"</p>
<p>I Love that commercial. Our lives in a nutshell.</p>
<p>If you read the excerpt of NWU's hazing policy, it is easy to imagine just about any ritual behaviour being considered hazing. For example, is military basic training "hazing"? Would be under NWU's definition, but those "hazing" behaviours are done for very good reasons. And, since we're talking about athletics, what about fall football training? Since when does the start of athletic training not have " action taken or situation created intentionally, whether on or off University premises, to produce mental or physical discomfort.."? Geesh. OK if a coach does it, but not if the players do?</p>
<p>One must wonder about the wisdom of a rule that defines widely accepted behaviours as wrong. At the same time, colleges are in a tough position. Deaths have resulted from hazing gone overboard, so I suspect many college administrators feel draconian crackdowns are in order. </p>
<p>If these pictures are the best Bad Jocks can do, then it seems to me we are truly living in a safer world, at least w/r/t college athletics. </p>
<p>Evidently, dstark, you've never seen the stuff at webshots? Or talked to college kids?</p>
<p>Sigh. My D is off to the library this weekend, I hope....</p>
<p>No, I've seen these. I don't think I would want my kids or future employers to see me in these. :)</p>
<p>Yet another discussion point for parents to have as their kids go off to or return from college: Don't put anything up on the web that you wouldn't want your parents, employers or worst enemy to see.</p>
<p>Got that right, Northstar. Even if kids do and then post awful stuff like this, NewMass, it doesn't make it right. I'd be darn horrified to see shots like this of my own kids. Wouldn't you?</p>
<p>allmusic,</p>
<p>Who said it was right? Not me. Where'd you get that idea?</p>
<p>I just don't think it's worth wasting much time on. It certainly doesn't seem to me to be the expose of the week like badjocks seems to imply. Nor does it strike me as the type of thing that will lead to "doom and gloom" down the road for the kids involved, unless the person looking back is clueless about what fraternities and sports teams do as part of their rituals. </p>
<p>So, I guess I just don't see the newsworthyness of it, especially in a broader perspective. I guess I'll just bow out of this discussion unless one wants to engage in a personal attack at me.</p>
<p>Would I be horrified if my D were involved? No.</p>
<p>They are in their underwear and look bored out of their skulls. What an amazing generation,..</p>
<p>Sorry, NewMass. I read your post as it's "no big deal". Perhaps I made too big a leap there.</p>
<p>I don't have a kid in college yet. But I don't think that kind of behavior is just harmless fun, "kids will be kids" stuff, so I still would be horrified if I found pictures on the internet of my own kid involved in such activity.</p>
<p>Call me the prude!</p>
<p>one of many</p>