Not a big fan of coaches that lie or programs that cheat.

Athletic Recruits
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<p>Let me first say, I am a former college athlete and I have my personal share of stories that would make a compliance officers head spin and would probably put a program in sanctions, but now years later and with all the compliance direction available, I see that not much as changed.</p>

<p>Coaches continue to lie to student/athletes and programs are at risk, because of athlete behavior and coaching improprieties, so do you report it or look the other way? This is why college sports sucks especially the non-revenue sports were winning isn't the priority.</p>

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<p>Schoolhouse - Sorry that your athletic career did not pan out the way you had hoped. But to come on here with a blanket statement, i think is in very poor taste and should not be taken seriously as it appears to be more of a personal vendetta more than anything else.</p>

<p>If you have a bone to pick with a particular university/coach, go there and take of YOUR business and leave the rest of these kids to the dreams that have been thinking about for many years.</p>

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<p>When did you play college sports? Are we talking 5 years ago? 20? Are you steering a child thru college recruiting and/or a sports program now? Not to discredit your experiences, but there are many, many students and families, my own included, that are greatly enjoying a positive experience from college athletics.</p>

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<p>I am watching an ESPN expose Outside the Lines on a collegiate swimmer at a top 25 school…it’s sad and depressing how the school did her when she sought help for mental illness. Now I know most of the people on CC are the fans that wear jersey’s, maybe even send a check to support the program—but understand you have people who compete in events and represent the school and sport in one way and participants on the team that get the grades, take the drug test, hope to compete and represent the school in other ways. Don’t confuse the two. Revenue sports and some non-revenue sports at competitive schools and conferences are a different beast than most of these situations listed here-where the parent/athlete are looking for an opportunity to be on the team or trying figure how to get recruited. When you are in the strata where you are know, it’s different I’ve taken a son and daughter through D1 non-revenue sport programs and kids from basketball program through all division level programs and it’s sickening how some of them have been jerked, granted they were recruited because they were talented, again a much different recruit channel.</p>

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<p>I don’t imagine anyone is a fan of coaches that lie or programs that cheat when they are looking at schools for their kids. Like many on CC, we were looking for D3 programs where my D could be a student first and athlete second. I don’t really follow big time college sports, though I know a lot of people do.</p>

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<p>The most recent use of the death penalty (banning a school from competing in a sport for at least one year) by the NCAA was against a D3 school in 2006.</p>

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<p>Swim,I would venture to say that D3 wasn’t Kenyon, that D3 powerhouse program in swimming. I think after they crushed SMU football and saw how the impact on the old Southwestern Conference was they decided that 1. you can’t police or enforce the “death penalty on revenue producing programs” because they have not done it even with Michigan basketball (well documented) and a few others-----wait aren’t those two institutions really respected both academically and socially. I’m years removed from it, but I sure wish i could have gotten a Sooner Red Corvette like my friend #5 did during our playing days.</p>

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<p>"…it’s sad and depressing how the school did her when she sought help for mental illness."</p>

<p>From a letter by Chad Moller, Missouri Athletics assistant AD to ESPN:</p>

<p>"As you are aware, Sasha came to Mizzou after being recruited here by our previous coaching staff. Her lead recruiter was assistant coach Pat Rowan, and Pat has told us that neither he nor anyone on the staff knew anything about Sasha’s previous suicidal actions in high school. We do not have access to medical records in the recruiting process, and must trust the parents and student-athlete to share everything they feel is pertinent. Our understanding is that this information was not shared in this case.</p>

<p>To our knowledge, our staff did not become aware of Sasha’s previous suicide attempt until after Coach Rhodenbaugh came on board. I believe he was able to share with you that he learned of this when Mrs. Lynn Courey phoned Greg worried that she couldn’t reach Sasha for a period of time. This was in the summer of 2010, just a few months after Greg became our coach. Thankfully, Sasha was found soon, and upon learning of this previous history, our coaching staff encouraged her to seek counseling, which she did, and which was provided by the MU Student Health Center on campus. By all accounts, Sasha did very well with the counseling initially, as it appeared to help her balance things.</p>

<p>At the beginning of the second semester of the 2010-11 season, Sasha developed a back injury which hampered her ability to train. At some point, Sasha hinted to Greg that she was not keeping her counseling appointments, which was concerning to hear. This prompted Greg to tell Sasha that she needed to focus on getting herself better, both physically and mentally/emotionally, and instructed her to take some time off from training. The idea was that using swimming as an incentive would help direct Sasha to be consistent with counseling, physical rehab, and classwork. Greg was in communication with Sasha’s parents about this plan of action. It is important to note that Sasha was never removed from the team, and any assertion of that is incorrect. If she had been removed from the team, she would have been stricken from the website roster, and kept from future team activities, and her scholarship would have been cancelled. Sasha was told she could come back to the pool when she was ready. Along with that she was told that she needed to use all the resources at the Mizzou Athletics Training Complex, which included the training room, the academic support center for athletes, the dining hall, and the strength and conditioning center to work her way back. To our knowledge, Sasha never gave anyone here an indication she felt as though she couldn’t eventually return to competition."</p>

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<p>"–but understand you have people who compete in events and represent the school and sport in one way and participants on the team that get the grades, take the drug test, hope to compete and represent the school in other ways. Don’t confuse the two."</p>

<p>Not in my world.</p>

<p>Schoolhouse you might be very “confused” if you followed the current state of NCAA D1 National Championship swimming.</p>

<p>Many D1 NCAA National Champions also have 4.0 GPAs, some in STEM majors.</p>

<p>Many D1 National Champions are the ones that take the drug test.</p>

<p>Many D1 National Champions represent their school in community service volunteer work.</p>

<p>This year some freshman swimmers who were not highly ranked in high school appear to be headed for the NCAA D1 National Championships and are expected to place very well.</p>

<p>Many highly ranked high school swimmers do not have successful college swimming careers.</p>

<p>All D1 swimmers hope to compete in the NCAA national championships. Last year for each event only about 5 swimmers made the guaranteed or “A” cut and knew during the season that they were going to the NCAA. The rest of the top 45 or so swimmers were picked from the provisional or “B” cut and did not know that they had made NCAAs until after the official psych sheet was released shortly before nationals.</p>

<p>“When you are in the strata where you are know, it’s different”</p>

<p>You are only “in the strata” for one season. This changes the next year when the new set of freshman recruits arrive.</p>

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<p>Banning a team from competition for one year is an extreme example of the enforcement powers of the NCAA. I am sure many people are surprised when they learn it was last used against a D3 school. The most extreme punishments that the NCAA now routinely uses are bowl bans (which can cost a school millions) and reduction in scholarships ( which effectively prevents a team from winning a national championship). In the case of the D3 school its violations were so flagrant that the NCAA had no choice but to enforce the “Death Penalty” rule.</p>

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<p>If you belong to the NCAA, you should abide by their rules.
Penn State should have had a four-year ban on football, period, due to direct involvement in cover-ups, and all players allowed to transfer unfettered. It’s like organized crime, in my opinion, but worse.</p>