Not joining selective service = No financial aid?

Paying for College
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<p>If a student submits their FAFSA answer the “are you male” question on the FAFSA as “yes” and then the SS registration as “no”, the DOE will issue a “C-Code” on the FAFSA and alert the school that the student has not registered for Selective Service. If the student is already past the registration age, it will still red-flag and the school will require said student (either situation) to submit documentation to the FA Office showing registration has occurred or the student was exempt from registering. I have denied MANY adults who neglected to register for Selective Service federal aid. </p>

<p>Also, the DOE does cross check with Selective Service and Veteran Affairs to make sure the applicant has registered or is a Veteran. </p>

<p>Many schools require the FAFSA or Profile be completed in order to be eligible for institutional aid…therefore, the student may find he doesn’t have access to ANY funds if he fails to register.</p>

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<p>Happymom–you are quite welcome. I like to think of myself as the Googling Queen…:)</p>

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<p>Even though my son received a full ride merit scholarship at a private school, he was required to file a FAFSA. The only schools which did not require a FAFSA were those who accept no federal aid - but they tend to be pretty conservative and someone who didn’t want to register for the draft might not feel too comfortable in that environment.</p>

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<p>My kids were both offered merit aid without filing a FAFSA. (scholarships offered in FAll, long before FA was due, and not contingent on filing.)</p>

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<p>DD was offered a merit scholarship from U of South Carolina based on her application…FAFSA was not required for this particular scholarship. They don’t require the Profile.</p>

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<p>To add to above, the ones my kids got Merit without a requirement to file FAFSA were UDel, BU, UMich, and Rutgers–all of which definitely take federal money.</p>

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<p>The OP needs to do their homework, however. At BU, for example…not ALL merit aid is awarded without the finaid applications being completed. DS received a music performance scholarship…had NOTHING to do with need or academics, and he was REQUIRED to fill out the FAFSA and Profile. The scholarships offered by BU without the finaid applications are competitive ones, and/or ones that have completely different application processes (like the Trustees Scholarship).</p>

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<p>Good point, Thump. I was more using them as examples that not all Merit schools require FAFSA, not singling them out as ones the OP should apply to. He will need to investigate the merit rules of each school he applies to individually.</p>

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<p>I am also 31, I have also not signed up for selective service</p>

<p>I did not do it unpurpose it was pure ignorance on my part. I completely confused registring to vote as the same thing as registering with the government. “are you registered” “are you registered” I identified this as registering with the government which allowed you to vote AND also get drafted if need be, I’m paying taxes I’m registered so I honestly beleive this meant i was in the system for being drafted. Why is this?</p>

<p>I honestly don’t remember in 94-95 a good program telling teh students about registering about selective service and the importance of doing it and your future. Had i known i would have done it immediately. When i left highschool i only applied to one college, and my parents paid for it. I never applied for student aid so i didn’t come across the “selective service” requirments. My parents were imigrants so they didn’t know about this either.</p>

<p>I dropped out of that college and tried for a couple years to go to community college, at that time I had no expenses and once again my parents paid for school but I was lost and kept dropping classes but once again I never applied for student aid. I was young dumb and lost. After a few years of this i stopped and entered the work force eventually getting a seriies of high paying jobs always assuming i would go back to school some day. However one day got farther adn farther away until almost 11 years passed. Financial hardships and the economoy helped motivate me to go back to school but now I have a much lower income, I’m an independent and money from my parents arn’t an option as they are retired. </p>

<p>I had no idea about the fact i wasn’t registered with selective service. I was suprised applying for FAFSA and getting rejected for that reason. The problem is i have no way of proving this. I need to go to school i can not make any type of respectible income with out my college degree but financial aid seems to not be an option as I am not 31 and if given the chance i would sign up in a heart beat. I keep asking this question but I can’t find the answer anywhere online. I’m alone, i need help.</p>

<p>are there ANY loans our ANY aid programs out there for the united states of america, that i can apply to and not be initially rejected for not having signed up for selective service before I was 26? </p>

<p>there has to be SOMETHING. I understand about finiancial aid, but a bank loan, SOMETHING that i can sign up for and pay back. </p>

<p>am i denied EVERY oppportunity for receiving money to go to school? Is there anything? It doesn’t have to be federal ANYTHING? I’m frantic, i know my reasons for not signing up are flimsy and weak but its the TRUTH. But i know it will be denied if I try to write a letter or appeal it. So that is not an opption</p>

<p>WHAT PROGRAMS OR LOANS ARE AVAILBLE IF YOU HAVEN"T SIGNED UP FOR SELECTIVE SERVICE? ANYTHING? I DON"T CARE IF ITS "LOU’s LOANS I NEED KNOW THE PROCESS THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING.</p>

<p>it wan’t like i received a letter in the mail telling me i haven’t signed up for SS and to go sign. I was completely ignorant. But you cant’ survive with out a degree, and no one an pay for it with out a loan. Is there ANYTHING??? the answer just can’t be your S.O.L. be quiet and die??</p>

<p>signed </p>

<p>Frantically searching for answers.</p>

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<p>It is too late now for you to register -
this link will tell you what to do:
[Selective</a> Service System: Fast Facts](<a href=“http://www.sss.gov/FSmen.htm]Selective”>http://www.sss.gov/FSmen.htm)</p>

<p>The bottom line is this - ALL MEN living in the US are REQUIRED by LAW to register with SS within 30 days of their 18th birthday. After you turn 26 years old it is too late.
BTW - this goes for non-citizens and undocumented aliens.</p>

<p>It is beyond me why anyone would condone that any young man should/could BREAK THE LAW. One doesn’t have to agree with the law to follow it. This can affect a young man’s life more than not receiving federal financial aid.</p>

<p>**Registration is the law. A man who fails to register may, if prosecuted and convicted, face a fine of up to $250,000 and/or a prison term of up to five years. </p>

<p>Even if not tried, a man who fails to register with Selective Service before turning age 26 may find that some doors are permanently closed. **</p>

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<p>TheEveryMan,</p>

<p>You can explore private loans, as the Selective Service registration requirement only applies to Title IV Federal Aid, not private loans.</p>

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<p>Justamomof4: I understand that. I keep having people writing the samething over and over again. the bottom line is I did not register, the reason why is fate and ignorance, thats it. End of story. If I could I would register now but i can’t. So that being said</p>

<p>Can I still go to a 4 year college? In order for me to pay for a 4 year college i need to makign money that I can only obtain by having a degree which I DON"T HAVE. SO…is there any way i can obtain money from some place in order to help me pay for my education.</p>

<p>And once again I now know at 31 that I was suppose to sign up I didn’t know before. My life wasn’t about school and as i said once i registered to vote i thought that was it the goverment has my information now. I read everythign about not being able to get federal loans, if i was 24 or 25 I would simply go and register BUT THAT IS NOT AN OPTION. </p>

<p>so what
can
I
do??? are you telling me that i can’t get a degree now?</p>

<p>Nikkil: Thank you for your advice, what type of private loans, what institutions are offering? I heard somewhere that once you use a loan for school is now a federal loan and you have to be registered to SS. Also heard that all loans are federal because banks work with the goverment.</p>

<p>Do you have any knowledge of where to receive or apply for these loans? Thank you in advance.</p>

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<p>so just to sum up:</p>

<p>I have read everything so i know I can’t sign up for SS
my reasons for signing up, dont’ qualify under what would grant me an appeal
writing to congress man and such is not only time consuming it almost in possible to get anything change or even an answer, if i do it will take months. I barely can get by now all doors are closed due to the fact that although i am quite experience i don’t have my degree.</p>

<p>So where do we go from here? I can’t, I just can’t imagine that what people are actually saying is that you cant’ go to college unless you sign up for selective service??</p>

<p>someone please give me something i can work with i would so appreciate it. Or in 3 years I will be on wellfare. I just want to go to school.</p>

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<p>TheEveryMan,</p>

<p>Private loans are not tied to an institution. You have to apply directly through the lenders. The interest rates and repayment terms will be much different than the Stafford Loans.</p>

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<p>What is the penalty if you don’t sign up? It’s not a felony, is it?</p>

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<p>Here are the penalties:</p>

<p>[All</a> About the Draft (Selective Service System) in the United States](<a href=“http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/draft2.htm]All”>http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/draft2.htm)</p>

<p>Registration</p>

<p>While a draft is not likely, registration for the draft (for males) is a reality. Almost all male U.S. citizens, and male aliens living in the U.S., who are 18 through 25, are required to register with Selective Service.</p>

<pre><code>* CONSEQUENCES FOR NOT REGISTERING
The maximum penalty for failing to register with Selective Service is a $250,000 fine and up to five years in prison. Failure to register will cause ineligibility for a number of federal and state benefits including:

  • FEDERAL JOBS
    A man must be registered to be eligible for jobs in the Executive Branch of the Federal government and the U.S. Postal Service. This applies only to men born after December 31, 1959.

  • STUDENT FINANCIAL AID
    Men who are not registered with Selective Service cannot obtain Federal student loans or grants. This includes Pell Grants, College Work Study, Guaranteed Student/Plus Loans, and National Direct Student Loans.

  • CITIZENSHIP
    The U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) makes registration with Selective Service a condition for U.S. citizenship, if the man first arrived in the U.S. before his 26th birthday and was required to register.

  • FEDERAL JOB TRAINING
    The Workforce Investment Act (formerly JTPA) offers important job-training opportunities. This program is only open to those men who register with Selective Service.

  • STATE JOBS, LOANS, AND TRAINING
    Most states have added additional penalties for those who fail to register with Selective Service.

  • STATE DRIVER’S LICENSE LEGISLATION
    As of May 16, 2002, 19 states, 2 territories, and the District of Columbia have enacted driver’s license laws supporting Selective Service registration. They are Oklahoma, Delaware, Arkansas, Utah, Georgia, Hawaii, Alabama, Florida, Colorado, Texas, Louisiana, Illinois, Ohio, South Dakota, Mississippi, Idaho, Virginia, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, and the Virgin Islands.
    </code></pre>

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<p>[Selective</a> Service System: Fast Facts](<a href=“http://www.sss.gov/FSbenefits.htm]Selective”>http://www.sss.gov/FSbenefits.htm)</p>

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<p>…so why are people saying they didn’t or did at the last minute just to get FA? 5 years and 250k is a steep price too pay for not registering for the draft.</p>

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<p>TheEveryMan - the link I gave you explains the appeal process.
even if you think you won’t be successful you should try it anyway - or you can continue whining.
I know lots of adults who put themselves through school one or two courses at a time while working full time. Where there is a will there is a way.</p>

<p>Perhaps your experience will be an example for some young men who don’t think registering is important.</p>

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<p>You would be amazed at how many college friends that I have spoken with that haven’t registered. I don’t know if its a lack of information out there or if people think that they can simply get by without the govt noticing. . . It ticks me off though. If they would reinstate the draft I don’t want to go to the army any more than the next guy who doesn’t, but its the law, and you don’t break the law. . .</p>