Not Quite Over, But This Story Shows How Drastically Lists Can Change Over Time

Initially, my goal was to try to get into a top-tier school. Back in my sophmore year, I was fairly naive about this and figured that I would find a #1, apply there ED, get in, and it would all be over. I comprised my list of just about every well-known private school east of the Mississippi River. My first college visits were to Duke and Davidson the summer after my sophomore year, and I felt like I really liked both. After also touring Vanderbilt and loving it, I was beginning to worry that I would just like everything, but then, I visited Emory. I felt like there was no school spirit and no one really loved being there. I would not realize this for a couple more years, but this would be a sign that I would not really like many smaller colleges (while Emory is not necessarily small, it does only have D3 sports).

By this point, I had also eliminated anything in a cold climate (defined by me as anything north of New York City). My next trip was to Haverford College, which, in addition to lacking school spirit, made me start thinking about another thing, politics, in my school search. Suffice it to say that it was too liberal for me.

Next, I toured a pair of Ivies, in Penn and Princeton. I really expected both to be near the top of my list, but I wound up liking Penn, but not Princeton, as it felt like people there were overly immersed in school work (to the exclusion of all other activities). For the next couple months, I would always say that my top four was Duke, Davidson, Vanderbilt, and Penn, in no particular order. Late that fall, I went up to Bucknell, expecting to not really like it, but I was pleasantly surprised with the campus and the programs that it offered. The big negative was how rural it is.

My search would continue, and I would add Richmond to the list to make the “Top Six”, which would last for all of one day before I toured Duke again and made it my clear #1. I also liked William & Mary enough to plan to apply there. I really thought that my list was done, and that Richmond and Bucknell would be my safety schools. I am really glad that I did not do that (a college admissions simulator has me as a 74% chance of acceptance at Richmond and a 58% one at Bucknell). Sometime over the summer, I decided that Tulane would also be a good fit and added it to my list.

In September, my college counselor told me that I was a National Merit Semifinalist (I now am a Finalist), something that I thought was nice, but I did not yet understand the impact that it would have on my search. My goal for the time being was to try to decide a second-choice between Richmond, Penn, and Vanderbilt, which had separated themselves from the pack in my mind. However, I always thought that I would get into Duke. In October (2013), I toured Richmond and Penn and decided that, while Penn has greater prestige (especially for Wharton), Richmond was a better fit, as they have an excellent program in International Business, a great community, a beautiful campus, and good enough sports. I said at the time that I would apply EDII to Richmond in the unlikely event that I would be rejected outright by Duke (I know that hubris sets up a fall, which would be coming).

Two months later, I went into Decision Day nervous, but excited, as I honestly did expect to celebrate that night. I had even already made celebration dinner reservations! Decisions were to be released at 6:00 PM, and I logged onto my portal a few minutes before that only to see a letter on the screen. As I read it, it became apparent that it was a rejection letter, but I reassured myself that it was only a cover and that the real (acceptance) letter would appear at 6:00. But, of course, it never did! That night, I was even thinking that I now had to choose where to go for one year before trying to transfer to Duke.

The week after my rejection brought two strange developments. First, I was deferred EA by Tulane, which I had been told was a complete safety school. I was already considering adding Rhodes College and F&M to my list as further safeties. Later that week, I got a letter from Oklahoma detailing their National Merit scholarship, which is a full-ride plus a few stipends, totaling $116,200. I kind of laughed it off at first, but then began to consider it more seriously as time passed.

Around Christmas, I began to look into whether any other reputable schools also offered those types of scholarships. I was very intrigued by South Carolina, which is ranked as the #1 school in the country for International Business. However, the school’s application deadline had already passed, so my application will only be “considered if space is available”. When I told my college counselor that I would apply to South Carolina and Oklahoma, in addition to Miami, which my dad wanted me to apply to (but now seems like a reasonable possibility), I expected her to be confused, but she instead recommended that I look at Alabama, which offers an even larger scholarship than Oklahoma does, and which she has always been impressed with. They also have a very strong honors college (with automatic admission to National Merit Finalists), which makes it feel smaller.

I was now unsure about applying anywhere else, including Rhodes and Franklin & Marshall, up until their application deadlines. On January 15th (the deadlines for many schools), I looked through everything to make sure that I was not overlooking any school. My mom really liked a program at Kentucky and Drexel (both schools offer full scholarships to National Merit Finalists), and I caved in and applied to both, even though I had big concerns about both schools. For UK, I thought that I could not bring myself to root for their basketball team (the only thing harder would have been UNC); for Drexel, my worry was that it does not have a traditional campus or school community (as students are on and off campus for co-ops). I did go through with applying to Rhodes and F&M as well. Late that night, wanting something else, I, on a whim, applied to Baylor, which also offers a full scholarship to National Merit Finalists.

Soon after that, I went to tour Drexel and F&M. While I still do have those concerns about Drexel, I was very impressed with the school itself (it has a good, internationally focused business school) with great job preparation. To be clear, I am definitely willing to study Econ and Spanish at a college with a good reputation for having those programs lead to what I want (ex. Duke and Vandy) or partake in a separate business school. F&M wound up being my last straw for small liberal arts colleges. They just tend to not have the same opportunities or student life as medium and large universities. Richmond definitely feels big enough, but it feels bigger than most colleges of 4000 undergrads. Anyway, I decided to stop considering Rhodes and slightly lower Davidson (which has a great community and great traditions) as a result of that visit. There may also be a too big, but I have not yet toured any of the big state schools. I am going to Alabama this Saturday, so I should have a better idea after that.

If anyone is still reading this, I have a lot of choices to make, as I, to use basketball metaphors, loaded my schedule with cupcakes. I now have acceptances to Alabama, Baylor, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Tulane (after the deferral), and Drexel. My top three are Vanderbilt, Richmond, and Penn, possibly in that order, although it is not firm at all right now. I also really like Tulane on paper, and Alabama seems like the best bet of the National Merit schools, but I have to see both of them. After that, it really is jumbled and unclear. Anyway, it has been a fun search with, when all is said and done, close to 30 college visits, and lots of decisions.

Congratulations! If you are taking votes, I would say Vanderbilt. Wherever you go, you will do wonderful.

I love your honest and detailed post… Can’t wait to see what happens. You will succeed wherever you go!

Interesting development- my over one month late application to South Carolina did not cost me a spot in the class. Even as a high-stat applicant, I had thought that they might just offer me admission for the spring semester.

Wow… cool story bro. Seriously though, that is inspiring. I think the problem is getting stuck in a mind-set that only the top schools in the country are the best, where there may be a great school which fits you perfectly that may not be all that prestigious. Good luck! And give us an update as to where you decide to go!

A very sad but truthful storing. So many kids these days believe that they’ll just apply ED to an Ivy and be done. And then they get rejected, and have that same pre-mid-life crisis as you had. I’m truly sorry for how heartwreacking that reject was to you.

I said “There may also be a too big, but I have not yet toured any of the big state schools. I am going to Alabama this Saturday, so I should have a better idea after that.”

Let me respond to that: there is a such thing as too big, and many school’s Alabama’s size could be too big, but (for a few reasons), Alabama is not too big.

I’m looking forward to your report about that campus visit - will you go to USC also?

Hopefully, but I need to prioritize colleges, as I am running out of time.

survivor fan, i don’t understand the basketball references, but i really appreciate your laying your long journey out for us to see. it’s been like this at our house too – there is still a long road until may 1. good luck to you

In college basketball, a team that plays a bunch of bad teams that it should beat easily has loaded its schedule with cupcakes. I am 8-1 in terms of acceptances and rejections, but all of the acceptances were ones that I pretty much knew as soon as I applied.

It has now been a while since I did a full update, so let me explain what I am thinking.

I now have 10 acceptances, to Alabama, Baylor, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Tulane, Drexel, South Carolina, Miami, Rhodes, and Franklin & Marshall (all 10 of my safety schools). I still have to hear from Richmond, Vanderbilt, Penn, and Bucknell, but I should hear from all of them by Friday. I was waitlisted at Davidson, but I will not bother with going through the whole waitlist process.

After a lot of thinking, I have narrowed my list to seven schools, and I will go through what I am thinking about them and mention why I cut a couple of others.

Vanderbilt- I loved the school when I toured it, and it fits perfectly with many of the things that I want (good academics, sports culture, nice campus, but near a city, in the South, fairly Conservative for colleges). I, though, still have to hear whether I got in, and, while we have plenty of money to pay for it, I need to convince my dad that it is worth the investment of $55,000 (I get a $5,000 NMF scholarship) a year to go there.

Penn (Wharton)- To be honest, I am not expecting to get into Wharton, but I will go over my thoughts in case I somehow get in. Wharton has great academics and would give me so many opportunities upon graduation. Also, my dad has no problem with paying for Wharton because of its reputation and location. While he wants me to stay near Philadelphia, I want to get away (all things equal) and go to the South, where I fit in a little better and where it stays warm year round. Also, I feel that I would lose something by not having big sports (very important to me), but would the Wharton name be enough to override that?

Richmond- I may hear today, but I am optimistic that I will get in. I loved the campus, college community, and programs in international business. I like the city of Richmond, but it seems a little difficult to get there from the college. The sports are decent, but not like the major conference schools. But, I definitely did feel at home at Richmond. Also, like Vanderbilt, I may have to convince my dad that Richmond is worth it.

Tulane- I have been accepted into the Honors College and have a $25,000 a year scholarship (plus a little bit for being a NMF). It seems to have the balance between city and campus that I like. Its big questions center around the fact that I have not been there on a tour and on whether the party culture of New Orleans is too much for me. My dad is on board with paying for it. I have also applied to the Altman Program, but I will not hear back about that for a few weeks.

Miami- Despite demonstrating little interest over the application period, I was accepted with a $24,000 scholarship and an invitation to interview for a full scholarship. I really do not have a sense of the school, but I will tour when I am there for the interview. I think that it will be in a gray zone until I go for that interview in two weeks.

Alabama- As a NMF, I would receive all of the benefits that they offer to us. When I toured it, I felt that the campus was really nice, and, while big, had most things (even the football stadium!) right on the central quad. The honors college has a great reputation, and they have a ton of money. I really liked Tuscaloosa as well. Strangely, it reminded me of the area of Raleigh where my family is from. Of course, as I die-hard Conservative, I would be right at home in the Deep South. I still wonder if there is an academic trade-off to going to Alabama, though.

Kentucky- Many things are similar for Kentucky to Alabama, but there are a few other things for me to consider with it. The campus is really nice, but a bit spread out (not really one central area). Of course, like Alabama, I love the school spirit, and Lexington is great. I am also in the Global Scholars Program, which is great for my interest in International Business. However, the school as a whole has a much lower reputation than even Alabama, and I do not like Kentucky basketball, so that would be something that I would have to overcome.

Some schools that I cut from my list:

Drexel- I can be picky at this point, and I want a real campus and college community (not to mention a football team).
South Carolina- Due to applying late, I cannot get into the honors college right away, and, therefore, am not a direct admit into the International Business program.
Bucknell- A little too isolated and cold
Oklahoma, Baylor- I will not be able to visit them for practical reasons.
F&M, Rhodes- too small, D3 sports

To update everything:

As we progressed through March, decisions continued to funnel in. For a while, I was living in a stream of acceptances, as I applied to many schools that were close to 100% bets of admission. Finally, that stretch broke when I was waitlisted at Davidson in late March (and I did not accept the spot on the waitlist). During the next week, I would indeed get accepted to the schools that I was originally going to use as safeties (Richmond and Bucknell), but I was rejected at Wharton and waitlisted at Vanderbilt (for a total of 12 acceptances, 2 waitlists, and 2 rejections). I decided to remain on the Vanderbilt waitlist.

Also during March, I made a couple of college visits, going to Alabama and Kentucky. I thought that both had great things to offer. Alabama has poured so many resources into its honors college, has a nice campus and BIG sports. But, I loved the Global Scholars program in International Business at Kentucky, but did not feel like there would be as many high-achieving students there or that it would have much of a reputation. Both Lexington and Tuscaloosa were great as well.

Later on, I got a letter from South Carolina saying that I had been accepted into the Capstone Scholars program, which would make me a direct admit to their International Business Program. However, it is not the honors college, and it was getting very late in the process, so I did not add it to my list, despite thinking that maybe I would be passing up a great opportunity in not seriously considering South Carolina.

Also in late March, I received an e-mail from Miami saying that I was a finalist for the Singer Scholarship, which is a full tuition scholarship and that I should go down to visit and interview for the scholarship in early April. Prior to this, Miami was kind of on the fringe of my final grouping and was unlikely to make the cut, but being up for this scholarship would give me a chance to go to campus and decide for myself. My final five were Richmond, Alabama, Miami, Tulane, and Kentucky (plus Vanderbilt, which I will get to in a minute).

The Vanderbilt decision was the last one to be released (the night after Ivy Day), so I already had an idea of where everything stood. Thinking through my options and what I liked about each one, I determined that Vanderbilt was really where I wanted to be, as it kind of mixed what I liked about many of the other schools into one place. But, it is very selective, so I really did not know what to expect. Ultimately, I was waitlisted. Not all colleges use the waitlist in the same way, but Vanderbilt really does use it, so it truly is a maybe (particularly being full pay). My college counselor said that only once has my school tried playing the Vanderbilt waitlist, but that it worked out for that student. But, at best, the chances of my getting in are still around 50/50 (if that), even if I do everything right, so I need to pick another school.

The first weekend in April turned out to be pivotal in my decision making process, as I had my Miami interview weekend on Friday and Saturday, followed by Tulane’s Top Scholars Weekend Sunday and Monday. I knew that it was going to be a long weekend full of early-morning wakeups, but I was not sure what would come of it. After spending two days in Miami, I really liked the opportunities that it would provide me in International Business, along with it being a place where I could envision myself. I thought that my interview went well, but I was a little worried that my interviewer was an engineering professor, when most people seemed to have interviewers in their areas of interest. He even said “I’m not sure why they assigned you to me” after I discussed my interests.

Sunday morning, I had to wake up at 3:30 (2:30 New Orleans time!) to catch a connecting flight to Atlanta on my way to Tulane, so I knew that I would be in for a long day. As I went through the sessions during the day on Sunday, I was unsure. I loved the Altman Program, but I was worried about whether I could even get into it, as I come from a high school with NO AP classes, though I will take two exams next month. Even if I could, it would mean that I would have to take possibly 21 credit hours a semester (instead of 12-18.5) to stay on track to graduate in four years. Later, I had an overnight visit with a student and a couple other prospective students. During this, it became apparent that I liked a couple of other schools better and that Tulane was not the best fit for me. First of all, if I go all the way to Louisiana for college, I want to be in Louisiana, not in New York/New Jersey transplanted South. At times, I even felt like I would be the only person there who was not Jewish. Also, it felt that the student body had school spirit, but not in the way I like (around sports). My host even said that no one really cared about the opening of a new football stadium this fall. Drinking also felt omnipresent- a bus driver asked one of the other prospective students whether the juice or something that he had just bought was alcohol. That suspicion did not rest well with me. I know that it is present at every school, but it just felt more overt at Tulane, perhaps because of New Orleans. It probably also did not help that my host was a hipster who took us to this hipster coffee house that seemed somewhat sketchy and that I had a bad cold by this point (which somehow only lasted until Tuesday afternoon).

When thinking back on that weekend, I also eliminated Kentucky, just because I could see myself at Richmond, Miami, and Alabama more than at Kentucky. Two days ago, I found out that I did not get the full scholarship to Miami, but that I did get an additional $4,000 per year, bringing my scholarship to $28,000 per year. Despite not getting the scholarship, it is still near the top of my list as a result of that visit. It seems that my parents do not think that Richmond is worth $60,000 per year given my other options, but they think that Vanderbilt could be. So, as of yesterday, it looked as if my decision would be coming down to Alabama and Miami. But, after thinking more about South Carolina after getting a call from them Friday night, I decided that I have to consider their International Business program. I am making plans to visit Columbia, SC next weekend (which unfortunately means that I will be touring on Friday, which just so happens to be my 18th birthday). From there, I hope to decide within a day or two between it, Alabama, and Miami. But, I do know that it is a tentative commitment, as I am hoping that somehow Vanderbilt will come through for me.

Thank you so much for these insights into the decision process. I’m sure it’ll be invaluable for the many readers on this website.

I have loved reading the story of your journey. I can’t wait to hear where you finally decide to go.

Also reading!

Update:

I spent my 18th birthday in Columbia, South Carolina while touring the university. I really liked a lot about it, including its program in International Business and its nice campus. While I was there, I had an interview to get into the IBA (International Business Americas) Program. The program seemed great and like it was at a school that was really focused on International Business. They also seemed really impressed with me and encouraged me to go talk with the honors college about getting in immediately (or at least getting the process started in the fall).

When I got to the honors college, I was told that the person I should speak to was busy and to come back in 30 minutes, so, as I did on many of my visits, I went to the campus store to by a Gamecock hat. However, by the time that we got back, he had already left, and, as it was Friday, I was told to call him on Monday.

After visiting South Carolina, I started to think about what would be the best possible decision for me to make. While I could not really give a rational explanation, I eliminated Miami, as, in my head, I kept comparing Alabama and South Carolina. With the Vanderbilt waitlist still a question, it looked like I could start the chants of S-E-C … S-E-C!! While eating in a restaurant in Columbia on Saturday, my dad said to me that he thought that I would choose Alabama and made a point of it to watch the Spring Football Game. Truthfully, Alabama probably was the way I was leaning at the time.

However, when I got home from South Carolina, I began to think more about all that USC would offer me, making my decision much more difficult. By Sunday night, I was starting to think that the only logical decision would be to go to South Carolina. On Monday, I called the honors college at South Carolina who said that I could apply for admission to the honors college after one year at the university and that about 40% of the applicants for sophomore year would be accepted, though my chance as a NMF and Capstone scholar in International Business are probably higher than 40%; but it is still a risk. The same day, I found out that I had been admitted into the IBA Program, which fits perfectly with what I want to do.

Over the next couple of days, I continued to weigh the pros and cons of attending each school. Alabama had the honors college (with all of its perks), more school spirit, a larger top-tier, and a better area right around the campus. South Carolina offered the IBA Program in the #1 school for International Business and a city full of opportunity, while still having a great campus and school spirit. I decided that South Carolina’s IBA Program was the choice that my head wanted, while my heart and gut went for Alabama.

One piece of advice for making a tough decision is to flip a coin. If you feel happy about what came up, that is the choice, and if you feel sad, you should choose the other one. I did that, and the coin landed on tails (South Carolina). I was disappointed, which began my process of leaning towards Alabama. After telling everyone the whole time that I was very much 50-50, I told my dad that I was 75% sure that I would go with Alabama yesterday morning. By early afternoon, I felt certain and told my dad the news in two words: “Roll Tide”. However, by the time I finished tennis practice yesterday, I had started to second guess myself. Complicating the matter was that I had already told my local Alabama admissions counselor and my college counselor that I was going to Alabama. But, I rationalized that I could just be apologetic if I decided to go elsewhere, and, as I had not submitted a deposit, I would not lose anything by changing my mind.

I did not have much time to decide, as today had to be decision day, one way or the other. My whole family was planning to gather for my announcement. By this morning, I was slightly leaning towards picking South Carolina, as the IBA Program is amazing. During the course of the day, the two went back and forth, right up until the party. My dad was eager to know, so he pressured me into making an announcement before we ate. I started by talking about my top five schools- those two plus Miami, Richmond, and Kentucky. Then, as a joke, I said that the decision was too tough and walked behind the table with all of the hats and pulled out a UNLV hat that I had hidden (it was the first random non-local school I found). I finally said that it was a joke and threw off the hat. Then, I announced that it was between Alabama and South Carolina. After several minutes of agonizing over the decision at the table, my grandfather asked if I wanted to just eat first.

After dinner. I went back to the decision seat, where I repeated the part through the fake UNLV commitment (for the benefit of my friends who were looking forward to seeing the video online tonight). Then, I cut it to three, keeping Miami in the mix this time (as my brother had really pushed for me to go there). But, the final two again were the same. This time I was able to make the decision. ROLL TIDE!!! After, my grandmother brought out dessert, which somehow had Roll Tide written on it (and I saw red ink on it earlier). She claims that she guessed right, but did she have a backup? I may never know, but, barring getting into Vanderbilt and convincing my parents that it is worth it, I will be going to Alabama.

Congratulations on a difficult decision. :slight_smile: Thanks for keeping us updated with your decision process. This thread is a must-read for juniors and seniors , counselors , and parents .
As for South Carolina I don’t know if you’ll explain why but I bet they will regret your decision … All in all it all depended on the person who made you wait 30mn then left without seeing you; when on Monday it was confirmed that xontrary to the Iba person’s hopes you could not apply to get into honors immediately nor after a semester it must have played into your decision - Iba courted you as a star applicant they really. wanted but Honors,which is so highly regarded, probably saw you as just another late applicant to their program and not special at all. At UA you will not have this dichotomy on treatment and that should make the experience that much more enjoyable :slight_smile:

Thank you for the detailed discussion of your path. It is somewhat similar to my son’s, who is also a NMF. It can seem a little crazy when you are applying to 20 schools which seem all over the map, but it’s great to have so many wonderful opportunities. Good luck to you!

@MYOS1634‌
I don’t think that I would say that the decision came down to that one person, but, were I in the honors college at South Carolina, I may very well have gone the other way. But, honors matters most in the first year (housing, class sizes, etc.). Alabama still has what I want and has a Global Business Specialization to be combined with another major in the business school. But, no school has 100% of what you want, and the IBA Program is something that I will have to give up, but Alabama was, overall, the slightly better decision.

@jsrcmom‌
Thank you. Some of those 16, I probably should have never applied to (Baylor, Rhodes, F&M), but there is no harm done. None of my reaches worked out for me, unless Vanderbilt takes me off the waitlist, but that sometimes happens.