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<p>You mean the red SAT book?</p>
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<p>Of course. It’s rather disappointing to see someone make such sweeping generalizations about a race, but so did Hitler. Maybe they are both right.</p>
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<p>Could you elaborate on this so I don’t misunderstand this as condoning the Holocaust and Sinophobia? And yes, I was referring to the old official SAT book, colored red instead of light blue.</p>
<p>@IceQube That’s a ridiculous myth if I’ve ever heard it. The 2% of blacks that make the ivy school population are so easily admitted? How about you look up the stats of these 4.0-3.8 grade-point-averaged schools before saying something so ignorant?</p>
<p>Great arguments guys but I disagree with some of you. I believe the problem is that many colleges feel “cheated” by the applications they received from some Asian students. Asian students usually demonstrate “social responsibility” on their college application, which is what many top institutions look for. However when they get out of college, most of them usually end up in the Banking industry or some kind of high profit industry with no benefit to the poor or disadvantaged. Many of my older friends who are Harvard or Yale graduates, talked about their struggles as an asian American and their passion (usually things like helping the poor, music, inequality) in their admission essay. Ironically, I would say 95% of them ended up working for Goldman Sachs or some random hedge funds in NY. They all seem perfectly content with their 6 figure salary and have no recollection of the “passion” they said they have. I understand that this is not the case with all asian americans, but I believe this is one of the factors that college admission officers are taking a second thought when it comes to accepting these applicants.</p>
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<p>Do you have any evidence, even anecdotal, that this behavior is unique to American applicants of Asian ancestry?</p>
<p>Dear Momma-three, I am new to the forum. From reading your post and the time you spent on the post, it is clear to me that you are not a working mom. Great for you that you can afford to stay home and be with your children. Yes, most Chinese moms work due to financial reasons (first generation immigrant) and also not want to give up their career. But, they do their best to get involved with school activities and to support school in any way they can. Their volunteer hours may not be high as yours due to schedule reason. Also they are “learning” the ways to volunteer in school as they had not attended k-12 here.</p>
<p>Your opinion is biased and not open minded.</p>
<p>I spent some time reading this thread, and while I appreciate the spirit of debate, I bristle at what is a bit more name calling than even Congress can muster, this is indeed a big issue.
But we should all make sure facts are facts, opinions are opinions, and that observations while valid, do not make for sweeping generalities.</p>
<p>Here’s my take from working with many Chinese folks from Moms, Dads, to college students.</p>
<p>a) Colleges need full pays to balance out other objectives like financially disadvantaged. Thus, many state schools take out of state, and increasingly non-US students who can be full pay. A new title in colleges is the Enrollment Manager who bridges Admissions and Fin Aid knowing what the average “net pay” they need to have… if its too low, they need more full pays. I think those are facts.</p>
<p>b) China has directed its education to STEM studies and only recently even had liberal arts colleges… I think there are now 2-3 in China. So while they previously sent many to our science schools they now also send to Liberal Arts colleges… there are sobering articles that US schools on many “Reach lists” are “safety schools” for internationals. Again, I think those are facts.</p>
<p>c) As to the RANGE of Asians in our society, visiting, studying or third/fourth generation, I don’t believe stereotypes work. I watch Asian Americans playing hand ball in parks in NYC and are impressed they are fully bi-lingual. I watch Moms and Dads picking up elementary school kids and asking them to speak in English. It appears to me these families are sacrificing all they can to make their children successful. I know of some of the sacrifices families make sending a child here to be able to send money back to China… it is amazing to me how hard they work. These are my observations and my opinions.</p>
<p>d) As the future, China is the number 2 economy, perhaps soon to be #1. Facts. My opinion: We best be open to interact on a national basis, a community basis and on a personal basis with this vast and growing population, no matter how insular they appear to non-Asians. Open up a bit. Be a little gracious. Hopefully, we will learn more than tolerance and grow to share in our different cultures. My opinions.</p>
<p>So, continue the debate, be a bit more kind to those whose opinions differ… and be vary careful at what are observations and what are facts, and what are your opinions. And Gong Hey Fat Choy… (spelling is far off!)</p>
<p>As anyone can see, momma-three stopped responding in this thread, and there is no indication that she feels any differently about Chinese international students.</p>