<p>It does have a top 5 med school, top 14 Law, top 10 Econ (believe me, when ranking PhD Econ, people not the difference between Wharton and SAS), tied with Harvard for undergrad engineering, and has many other top 20ish PhD programs. Penn is also Ivy League which helps any school with prestige. If we can upset Texas A&M, we will gain tons of national prestige (wishful thinking). Now go try to mess with another forum you ****ing troll.</p>
<p>haha you go Venkat!</p>
<p>NYU has a great business school (Stern) and it's ranked 34th. So, Penn has a lot going for it other than Wharton since it's ranked 7th.</p>
<p>Penn has some of the best teachers out of all the Ivies. The list of teachers with awards for their research is the longest for Penn. So, no, I don't think Penn is ranked high just because of Wharton.</p>
<p>Also, I disagree with everyone who says that SAT scores don't matter to Penn. There's so many factors that you can't make snap judgments like that. And, plus, it just makes you sound bitter.</p>
<p>And I got a 2290 on my SAT I and 750+ on all my SAT IIs. So I gues that defeats that assumption.</p>
<p>Should deferred applicants post their RD decisions here or in the RD thread, which hasnt been created yet?</p>
<p>I know we still need to wait around two weeks, but Im started to get uberobsessed.</p>
<p>haha bernard, im actually not worried anymore :) just try and relax man, i remember at the beginning of march when i too was have hear attacks like every two minutes. time seems to be flyin for me :) plus, im happy because i just sent them an update to my RD via email and she actually acknowledged it, instead of saying my decision was already made :) </p>
<p>but i actually think im going to start a completely seperate thread for deferee decisions. i think that thread might be of use to those who get in next year. itll have typical stats crap, but also reasons why you might think you were accepted RD after being defereed and what you did to reverse the decision. i think that would be of more help to prospective penn students next year, ya know? :)</p>
<p>hey impboy, quick qestion----When/what did you send UPenn an update about, because I faxed them an update to my RD application as well.</p>
<p>i sent them an update on Wednesday about some awards i received at the academic decathlon NJ state banquet on Tuesday (3rd place mathematics, 2nd place science, and 1st place interview, highest overall score on my team). i also resent them letter expressing continued interest (i mailed this to them a month ago, but my RD said to send it to her via email just in case it didn't reach my file).</p>
<p>Okay thanx for the info. Best of luck to you!</p>
<p>well venkat, the #7 ranking doesn't have to do with grad schools (unfortunately). that's a totally different domain. I'd have to say that without Wharton, Penn's ranking would probably drop significantly. In my experience, the only people who've even HEARD of Penn usually talk about Wharton. Not trying to bash the College here, but Wharton helps the rankings a lot.</p>
<p>^How many places do you think Penn falls without Wharton?</p>
<p>dang, now that i've taken the time to look at the rankings, they are really ridiculous. duke over columbia? dartmouth over columbia? duke over brown? Ridiculous. I think Penn's place in the rankings is pretty accurate, but without Wharton, I think it'd fall at least 2-3 rankings (but not below Duke or Dartmouth). I think Penn trumps Columbia anyday though.</p>
<p>ha ha indeed. Penn is definitely worthy of being top 10 w or w/o Wharton. honestly, i don't know much about the actual programs that the college offers, but i do know that as far as the liberal arts (notably linguistics correct? i hear penn has probably the best linguistics programs in the country) and pure sciences go, the programs offered there are supposed to be very reputable. i also know the college offers some very well known form of business education that many people prefer to that received at Wharton. the college also does some interesting alternatives to pure BSE degrees from engineering, also making it more attractive to many (there is a great alternative to biomedical engineering in the college that requires a very similar course load and provides all the pre-professionalism that the BME major gives you).</p>
<p>I think Penn would still be in the same rank even without Wharton.</p>
<p>There's all this hullabaloo over how prestigious Wharton is, but, then again, many people who got into CAS have the same or better statistics as those who got into Wharton.</p>
<p>I'm not trying to say Wharton's not good or anything, because it is. But I just don't understand all the hype around it. After all, HYP still trumps Penn Wharton any day, and hardly anyone knows about UPenn itself, much less its constituent schools.</p>
<p>Ringmaster, just 'cause you don't understand hype doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Avg man on street may confuse Penn w. Penn State but a lot know about Wharton, especially since Donald Trump talks about what a great place it is every time he goes on TV. There are people who decline HYP for Wharton (and there are very rational reasons for doing so) but you'd be nuts to decline HYP for CAS. </p>
<p>Wharton has slightly better avg. stats than college. There is a great deal of overlap in stats thruout Ivies - lots of individuals at Penn have the same or better stats as those who got into HYP, but that doesn't mean that those places aren't stronger on average. It's impossible to prove, but I'd bet that w.o Wharton Penn would drop several spots in rankings.</p>
<p>This is all no knock on CAS - it's still a very competitive school, just slightly less so than Wharton. It all depends what you are comparing it to - among Ivies, CAS is one of the easier ones to get into, but compared to all schools in US, all Ivies are very hard to get into. There are thousands of college in US and here we are talking about the top 10 or so of them so getting into any Ivy makes you a winner.</p>
<p>keep in mind penn has both the number 1 business school AND the number 1 nursing school in the country</p>
<p>At the graduate level: Penn Medicine (the first med school in the USA) and Wharton are both ranked #3; Penn Law is #6 (tied with UChicago); Penn's Annenberg School of Communication consistently ranks in the top 5; Penn Vet, Dentistry, School of Education, Penn Design and Penn's Arts and Sciences are all pretty consistently in the top 10. Only the School of Engineering and Applied Science and the School of Social Policy and Practice are not top-ranked.
At the undergraduate level: Penn's Nursing School and the Wharton School are both ranked #1. The Engineering School I think is ranked #29 (but all Ivy engineering schools with the exception of Cornell are in that range), and Penn's Bioengineering is #6, Penn's Nanotechnology is also very strongly regarded by most tech-journals and has been ranked #1 (not US News). As far as the liberal arts go, no concrete rankings are compiled anywhere with the exception of the Gourman Report where Penn's arts and sciences departments all place in the top 10-15 and several place in the top 5.
Pioneering developments in the field of linguistics were made at Penn by Noam Chomsky and his teacher Zellig Harris (the department has been consistently regarded as the best in the country). Penn has the oldest Psychology department in North America (also top-ranked), the Penn faculty founded the American Psychological Association in 1892, Lightner Whitmer at Penn created the entire field of clinical pscyhology (and the first psychological clinic 1896), Morris Viteles started the field of industrial psychology, Ulrich Neisser wrote 'Cognitive Psychology' at Penn, and Twitmyer (who discovered the knee-jerk reflex) discovered the conditioned reflex at Penn (yes, before Pavlov did). Penn's Psychology department continues to be a leader in the field.
Penn's English and History departments are also extremely well-regarded and have won several departmental rewards (their faculty also has an extremely high conc.of Guggennheim fellows and Pulitzer prize winners). Penn's English dept. has won more awards than any other in the College. Anthropology, Architecture, Economics, Regional Studies (Penn has the most comprehensive language center in the country), Neuroscience are all at or near the top of their fields. Archeology and Ancient History also benefit from Penn's Museum which houses the largest collection of Egyptian artefacts outside of Egypt (including the second-largest Sphinx in the world apart from the one in Giza), and the professors are at the top of their fields.
There is obviously a lot more, several departments have rich, important histories and impressive records (look up architecture for instance). Penn's College also has several important collections of rare books and artefacts that draw scholars from around the world.
Penn is an exceptional all-round university and it's current standing is not simply the result of one department.</p>
<p>wow, snooker1, thanks for the thorough infor!!</p>
<p>accepted wharton :)</p>
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[ *] SAT Verbal: 750
[ *] SAT Math: 780
[ *] SAT Writing: 700
[ *] SAT Total:2230
[ *] SAT II: Math IC 740 Bio 740 Chinese 780
[ *] ACT:
[ *] AP/IB taken/scores: Physics B: 5 English Lang:5 US History:5
[ *] GPA weighted: n/A
[ *] GPA unweighted: 3.45
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[ *] Teacher Recs: Physics, English
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[ *] Hook (if any): I'm Good looking</p>
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[ *] School Type: Private Boarding
[ *] Ethnicity: Asian
[ *] Gender: M
[ *] Legacy Yes/No: N
[ *] Recruited Yes/No: N
[ *] Important ECs: School Newspaper, Mentoring, Asian student association...</p>
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