<p>and to A Concerned Parent, I'm personally offended by your post. I cannot speak for AAs/Hispanics/other URM since I don't know how much, if at all, affirmative action is at play in those cases. However as an Asian international student, i can assure you it is MUCH harder for internationals and asian to gain acceptance at Penn. I spoke with my regional director, and he told me, in these words, that international competition is "much more competitive than the domestic pool” and the acceptance rate is a single digit. If an international student is accepted, either his family is incredibly wealthy and wrote a fat check to Penn (which i doubt is the case for those 8 internationals), or that kid deserved it. If a white kid and an international both qualify for admission and have similar stats, any sensible admissions officer will take the international in a second. Why? Not so much because of diversity (asian internationals aren't that terribly diverse are they?), but because he has to overcome much more. I don’t want to bore you with sob stories, but I find your obvious ignorance and lack of respect quite rude, to say the least. Here's the bottom-line, most accepted internationals are probably among the most qualified candidates, so please, stop whining and take that racist attitude somewhere else.</p>
<p>Internationals make the curves tougher because they are too hard working. Admit more lazy white kids so I can get an A or two these next 4 years.</p>
<p>Also, international admissions is NOT need blind. Admission for US citizens (maybe Canadians and Mexicans too, not 100% sure) is need blind. If you apply for financial aid (which is recommended unless you are so rich paying 50k a year is nothing to you) it has no effect on your admission if you are citizen, but it could result in a rejection if you are an international because Penn only has so much need based money they can give out, and their top priority is giving it to all the needy US citizens who are admitted.</p>
<p>I <3 Michigan
I hate dulce
dulce got minority money from Mich
had he applied after prop 2, he would probably have gotten $0
he was deferred from Penn because Penn defers most legacies who don't get in ED</p>
<p>hang on, dulce de leche's an under represented minority AND a legacy and still didn't get in ed?
goodness, no wonder they didnt accept him he musta been a snothead in his essays</p>
<p>I'm not 100% URM (only partial). And the legacy part is the part that isn't URM. MY parents aren't donating a dime to Penn anymore. They hate Penn now.</p>
<p>Wow, some of these decisions seem a little haphazard. maybe this is what happens: admissions officer has a stack of applications, he closes his eyes, puts a random amount of papers in the "yes pile", the "maybe pile," and the "no pile". no offense to anyone who got in and thinks that im a dumass because of this contention.</p>
<p>^You are a dumbass. However, I seriously doubt that any adcom read my application (because that would probably mean automatic rejection after my horrible essays). Maybe you have a point...</p>
<p>chill... the only reason dulce posts on this forum is to ellicit an angry reaction from Penn '11 CCers. if you ignore him/her, he/she will go away</p>
<p>seriously dulce i dont know why you have to be on the penn boards anymore. i got deferred too (and accepted to michigan engineering for that matter), but you dont see me being a bitter boy about it. instead im trying to be constructive about it, and think of it in a positive manner. hey, they didnt reject me -- im damn happy about that. hopefully the letter i sent in along with my great midyear report will bump me in. why cant you think in such a manner? you dont have to hold a vendetta against a school just because they would like to take a closer look at your application. they didnt even reject you, so stop whining about it and either start being a little more positive and hopefull, or just leave.</p>
<p>holy crappp. i'm looking through all the old posts on this thread and it looks like penn doesn't like high sat scores or something. everyone with lower sat scores has gotten accepted whereas those with 2200+ seem to have been deferred or rejected.</p>
<p>i got rejected with a 2220 SAT and 770+ SAT II's :( but then again, i guess sat scores don't mean anything</p>
<p>I'm not bashing the school or anything (in fact I have a great deal of respect for it), but I was just wondering if anyone on this board thinks the university would be ranked nearly as high as it is now if not for the Wart. Sch. of Bus.?
If not, then would not that mean the merits of the university are basically upheld by its business school?</p>