<p>Lol, I asked that question yesterday (or the day before, can’t remember) on this thread, and felt really dumb asking too^^</p>
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<p>No, a white can be unhooked, but also not a minority.</p>
<p>Oh white doesn’t count as ORM?
So it’s like:
ORM-Asian-negative
White-neutral
URM-black, native american, hispanic</p>
<p>Well, by definition, white’s are not minorities in the US.</p>
<p>Being White certainly isn’t as “negative” as being Asian, but it also does hurt if competing with URMs.</p>
<p>Being white isn’t NEGATIVE. Being URM gives you an advantage, and being an ORM gives you a disadvantage. Being white puts you in the middle. </p>
<p>I wouldn’t say that white applicants are “hurt” in the admissions; rather, it is the URM’s that “gets” the edge. ORM’s are the ones that get “hurt.”</p>
<p>^Yes I agree. </p>
<p>I was simply saying that when competing with others who have an “edge,” it can be seen as a negative. This isn’t meant to spark debate, we do after all agree with the ORM, neutral, URM ranking; I just feel it depends on your interpretation of what “negative” and “neutral” mean.</p>
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Haha I realized this in the shower today. I was like, dude, ORM stands for over-represented minority.</p>
<p>Over represented <em>majority</em>?
Though by a strict definition whites are underrepresented too at many places, compared to their percent of the total American population…</p>
<p>Okok so here’s the summary:</p>
<p>ORM stands for Over-Represented Minority, and whites aren’t minorities in the US.</p>
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<p>Nor are they over-represented at highly selective colleges.</p>
<p>I feel like whites are at a disadvantage if they aren’t legacies or first generation-ers… :(</p>
<p>Hahaha I was just joking around.</p>
<p>Ethnic Background
(includes U.S. citizens and Permanent
Residents only)
African American: 8.4%
Asian American: 17.4%
Caucasian: 43%
Hispanic: 8.6%
Native American: 1.5%
No Response: 9.8%</p>
<p>A quick Wikipedia check said Whites are about 74.8% of America’s population, so they’re technically under-represented, at least at Yale.</p>
<p>and No Response is technically over-represented, since the race doesn’t exist.</p>
<p>The no response kids are probably 90% ORMs, with a few odd white kids with Hispanic sounding last names.</p>
<ol>
<li>sd6 - (no hook)</li>
<li>micahbodicah</li>
<li>impetuous - (no hook - ORM)</li>
<li>paquenuque - (hooked - URM)</li>
<li>happysunnyshine</li>
<li>imagodei - (no hook - ORM)</li>
<li>eastofeden</li>
<li>silverturtle</li>
<li>kaira07</li>
<li>unlocked - (no hook - ORM)</li>
<li>arwenevenstar</li>
<li>pkm2232</li>
<li>kidfromvirginia</li>
<li>epigramimpelled</li>
<li>mj rothlan</li>
<li>jgraider - (no hook)</li>
<li>ccuser18 - (no hook)</li>
<li>nne718</li>
<li>Owlehn - (no hook)</li>
<li>HIGHReachNoob</li>
<li>williefresh</li>
<li>againstallodds</li>
<li>fgsfds</li>
<li>Jersey13</li>
<li>JustASenior</li>
<li>Spazzy</li>
<li>lessthanthree</li>
<li>Bansky</li>
<li>saturnne</li>
<li>WLSilver</li>
<li>Madshock - (no hook)</li>
<li>tolalvtweety</li>
<li>HADC10</li>
<li>gahsicles</li>
<li>felixfelicis</li>
<li>envoy707 - (hook: legacy and URM)</li>
<li>Vaeliant</li>
<li>quomodo - (no hook)</li>
<li>InkHua</li>
<li>fabregas04</li>
<li>Raikyure</li>
<li>sailorskye</li>
<li>Anduan</li>
<li>cataclysm</li>
<li>dalipaints - (no hook)</li>
<li>LonDubh</li>
<li>yalemomdas - (likely letter - athlete)</li>
<li>likeasatellite</li>
<li>wrightm</li>
<li>Raphael</li>
<li>Chassiecrane</li>
<li>Andromeda1</li>
<li>danic10</li>
<li>haeunchang</li>
<li>bigboba</li>
<li>sparklesheen</li>
<li>noob92</li>
<li>amazingme17 (no hook - ORM)</li>
<li>immaninjaforreal</li>
<li>nowletmeexplain</li>
<li>Jamezz93</li>
<li>ricochet99999</li>
<li>binarybandit</li>
<li>amishra</li>
<li>thburningiraffe</li>
<li>sniper100</li>
<li>MrMeursault</li>
<li>badfish129</li>
<li>NJchick</li>
<li>inycepoo</li>
<li>vhuang - (hooked: legacy, but ORM)</li>
</ol>
<p>@Owlehn. </p>
<p>The majority of the applicants are either on the same place as you, or even more disadvantaged. White applicants with no hooks are generally considered “neutral.”</p>
<p>URM’s and legacies get the advantage and ORMs get the disadvantage. </p>
<p>i have said this a lot.</p>
<p>What about male vs female? Is the difference so small at Yale that it’s not even considered in admissions?</p>
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<p>The 74.8% white is including Hispanic. Of the 229.8 million that comprises the 74.8% “30.4 million are White Hispanic and Latino Americans. Excluding these, this category comprises 65.0% or 199.3 million”</p>
<ol>
<li>sd6 - (no hook)</li>
<li>micahbodicah</li>
<li>impetuous - (no hook - ORM)</li>
<li>paquenuque - (hooked - URM)</li>
<li>happysunnyshine</li>
<li>imagodei - (no hook - ORM)</li>
<li>eastofeden</li>
<li>silverturtle</li>
<li>kaira07</li>
<li>unlocked - (no hook - ORM)</li>
<li>arwenevenstar</li>
<li>pkm2232</li>
<li>kidfromvirginia</li>
<li>epigramimpelled</li>
<li>mj rothlan</li>
<li>jgraider - (no hook)</li>
<li>ccuser18 - (no hook)</li>
<li>nne718</li>
<li>Owlehn - (no hook)</li>
<li>HIGHReachNoob</li>
<li>williefresh</li>
<li>againstallodds</li>
<li>fgsfds</li>
<li>Jersey13</li>
<li>JustASenior</li>
<li>Spazzy</li>
<li>lessthanthree</li>
<li>Bansky</li>
<li>saturnne</li>
<li>WLSilver</li>
<li>Madshock - (no hook)</li>
<li>tolalvtweety</li>
<li>HADC10</li>
<li>gahsicles</li>
<li>felixfelicis</li>
<li>envoy707 - (hook: legacy and URM)</li>
<li>Vaeliant</li>
<li>quomodo - (no hook)</li>
<li>InkHua</li>
<li>fabregas04</li>
<li>Raikyure</li>
<li>sailorskye</li>
<li>Anduan</li>
<li>cataclysm</li>
<li>dalipaints - (no hook)</li>
<li>LonDubh</li>
<li>yalemomdas - (likely letter - athlete)</li>
<li>likeasatellite</li>
<li>wrightm</li>
<li>Raphael</li>
<li>Chassiecrane</li>
<li>Andromeda1</li>
<li>danic10</li>
<li>haeunchang</li>
<li>bigboba</li>
<li>sparklesheen</li>
<li>noob92</li>
<li>amazingme17 (no hook - ORM)</li>
<li>immaninjaforreal</li>
<li>nowletmeexplain</li>
<li>Jamezz93</li>
<li>ricochet99999</li>
<li>binarybandit</li>
<li>amishra</li>
<li>thburningiraffe</li>
<li>sniper100</li>
<li>MrMeursault</li>
<li>badfish129</li>
<li>NJchick</li>
<li>inycepoo</li>
<li>vhuang - (hooked: legacy, but ORM)</li>
<li>howgoesit - (no hook - ORM)</li>
</ol>
<p>good luck to everyone :)</p>
<ol>
<li>sd6 - (no hook)</li>
<li>micahbodicah</li>
<li>impetuous - (no hook - ORM)</li>
<li>paquenuque - (hooked - URM)</li>
<li>happysunnyshine</li>
<li>imagodei - (no hook - ORM)</li>
<li>eastofeden</li>
<li>silverturtle</li>
<li>kaira07</li>
<li>unlocked - (no hook - ORM)</li>
<li>arwenevenstar</li>
<li>pkm2232</li>
<li>kidfromvirginia (no hook)</li>
<li>epigramimpelled</li>
<li>mj rothlan</li>
<li>jgraider - (no hook)</li>
<li>ccuser18 - (no hook)</li>
<li>nne718</li>
<li>Owlehn - (no hook)</li>
<li>HIGHReachNoob</li>
<li>williefresh</li>
<li>againstallodds</li>
<li>fgsfds</li>
<li>Jersey13</li>
<li>JustASenior</li>
<li>Spazzy</li>
<li>lessthanthree</li>
<li>Bansky</li>
<li>saturnne</li>
<li>WLSilver</li>
<li>Madshock - (no hook)</li>
<li>tolalvtweety</li>
<li>HADC10</li>
<li>gahsicles</li>
<li>felixfelicis</li>
<li>envoy707 - (hook: legacy and URM)</li>
<li>Vaeliant</li>
<li>quomodo - (no hook)</li>
<li>InkHua</li>
<li>fabregas04</li>
<li>Raikyure</li>
<li>sailorskye</li>
<li>Anduan</li>
<li>cataclysm</li>
<li>dalipaints - (no hook)</li>
<li>LonDubh</li>
<li>yalemomdas - (likely letter - athlete)</li>
<li>likeasatellite</li>
<li>wrightm</li>
<li>Raphael</li>
<li>Chassiecrane</li>
<li>Andromeda1</li>
<li>danic10</li>
<li>haeunchang</li>
<li>bigboba</li>
<li>sparklesheen</li>
<li>noob92</li>
<li>amazingme17 (no hook - ORM)</li>
<li>immaninjaforreal</li>
<li>nowletmeexplain</li>
<li>Jamezz93</li>
<li>ricochet99999</li>
<li>binarybandit</li>
<li>amishra</li>
<li>thburningiraffe</li>
<li>sniper100</li>
<li>MrMeursault</li>
<li>badfish129</li>
<li>NJchick</li>
<li>inycepoo</li>
<li>vhuang - (hooked: legacy, but ORM)</li>
<li>howgoesit - (no hook - ORM)</li>
</ol>