<p>Well, since you are going to Duke, I guess I can understand your partiality. Just wondering, why are you still on the Cornell board?</p>
<p>Because I frickin applied here and got in. Are you the bouncer here? Do I need a $10 dollar permit to stay?</p>
<p>RELAX. This is just a good, clean, conversation.</p>
<p>Moreover, Dog87 said to look at peer assesment to judge prestige. According to that, Berkeley is more prestigious than Columbia, Duke, Cornell, and Johns Hopkins. Would you agree?</p>
<p>Moreover, here is what a dartmouth alum grouped as the prestige levels ( in no particular order):</p>
<p>Group 1:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT
Caltech</p>
<p>Group 2:
Columbia
Brown
Dartmouth
Penn
Duke
Amherst
Williams
Swarthmore</p>
<p>Group 3:
Cornell
Northwestern
JHU
Chicago</p>
<p>Group 4:
Washington University
Rice
Vanderbilt
Emory
Wellesley
Notre Dame
Michigan
UVA
UC-Berkeley</p>
<p>Thanks slipper1234 for the inspiration. lol Dartmouth roxorz!</p>
<p>LOL, I don't think people on the HYPSM board from this website are authorities in judging academic prestigious. On the other hand, I wouldn't say that 90% of the professional world thinks Cornell is more prestigious than Duke either. I think both schools are very well known in the international level. Depends on the field you are looking at, either school could be more well known. In the engineering community, Cornell is consider as the superior school. However, in terms of medicine, Duke is better than Cornell. Other than those two fields, I don't see a huge differences between the two schools. Maybe Cornell is better at hard science, but you can't say that Duke is far behind Cornell. After all, one of Cornell's nobel winning professors in physics got his Ph.D at Duke. I think kids care too much about the prestigious factor on this board. Penn was ranked in the 20s 15 years ago, now it's #5 or #6. You never know what the ranking would be in next decades, so why judge a school based on its present ranking.</p>
<p>agreed.</p>
<p>By the way, slipper went to DARTMOUTH.</p>
<p>I don't think you should go by some Dartmouth alumn's prestigious ranking. Obviously, University of Chicago is superior than most of the schools in the group I and II in academics. I don't see any point in pulling out a random ranking to justify your point.</p>
<p>I don't know why you would pull out the ranking of a dartmouth alumnus to justify your point. If that's the case, a moderator on this site, Alexandre, did a similar grouping, and we always agree. Alexandre is very knowledgeable. These were Alexandre's results: </p>
<p>Group I:
Harvard University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Princeton University
Stanford University
Yale University</p>
<p>Group II:
Brown University
California Institute of Technology
Columbia University
Cornell University
Dartmouth College
Duke University
Johns Hopkins University
Northwestern University
University of California-Berkeley
University of Chicago
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of Pennsylvania</p>
<p>Group III:
Carnegie Mellon University
Emory University
Georgetown University
Rice University
University of California-Los Angeles
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
University of Notre Dame
University of Texas-Austin
University of Wisconsin-Madison
University of Virginia
Vanderbilt University
Washington University</p>
<p>Group IV:
Boston College
College of William and Mary
Georgia Institute of Technology
New York University
Tufts University
University of California-San Diego
University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign
University of Southern California
University of Washington</p>
<p>PM me for my address as to where to send the $10 permit fee.</p>
<p>LOL i will. Ecc, are these rankings just a random piece of evidence to justify a point? Something is wrong when UPenn is mentioned in the same breath as Umich. Not sure what it is...just...something.</p>
<p>Woah. I just noticed something. Georgetown in a tier below Umich? Wow</p>
<p>Rice is so awesome. How is it where it is?</p>
<p>Edit: norcalguy, i think if i had ur address i would send u a little more than a check.</p>
<p>jk</p>
<p>All of you ranking whores really need to just chill out...</p>
<p>Why does everyone care so much about which school is more "prestigious?" They are both great school, only different. Choose based on your wants and needs, not a ******** list.</p>
<p>Devil, you look at the ranking too seriously. There's nothing wrong with Michigan being in the same league as Penn. Michigan has top notch law school, med school, business school and other A&S fields. Even though, Michigan is a state school that doesn't mean it's inferior to a private Ivy league school. The only thing you can say about Michigan is that the average undergraduate standard might not be as high as Penn's in terms of admission, but that's about it. If you look at graduate programs, Michigan is great.</p>
<p>lol, aj u are right. However, this topic has 700 viewings, so everyone seems to have had this on their mind for a while. We all dont want to admit it, but prestige is important to some people. BTW, here is my tier list:</p>
<p>Group I:
Harvard University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Princeton University
Stanford University
Yale University
California Institute of Technology</p>
<p>Group II: (these are in order)
University of Pennsylvania
Duke University/ Dartmouth College
Columbia University
Cornell University
Brown University
University of Chicago</p>
<p>Group III:
Washington University
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of California-Berkeley
Johns Hopkins University
Northwestern University</p>
<p>Edit: this is just for fun btw.</p>
<p>oh oh oh ... oh oh oh oh ...</p>
<p>where and when the heaven is this topic turned into a prestigious fighting or sorta.</p>
<p>nah nah nah no no no if you do care about me , please go back and read my original post again. (i just dont want people to fight over pointless stuffs like.. prestigious)</p>
<p>ecc, and some other concerned people, this is exactly what i'm worrying about
Duke is better in medicine and Cornell's better in Engineering
and I want to do something combining that two. BioMedical Engineering</p>
<p>But as I said, even though I am more than willing to do BME
but who knows and kinda worry about closing others options
(for people who's not informed, Duke has a superior BME but has a small engineering school, and offers only 4 engineering majors)</p>
<p>ohkay if someone can help me on this i am more than glad.</p>
<p>P.S : prestigious, i shall take back my words, does slip into my mind when i am choosing a college. ( I wont lie about this stuff. i already crossed out Case Western and Georgia Tech for social, location, financial and prestigious reasons.) However i rather think both schools in the same tier both if i have to group them. but hey i am a person, at least in engineering, harvard, pton, or yale are no better (probablly worse alot) than cornell. so who knows.</p>
<p>DMC: stop posting. You prove your ignorance with each post. I can't tell if you are a troll or an idiot, but either way learn some civility before you "contribute" to a discussion.</p>
<p>dreaming: I don't know if you saw my post, but you should ask yourself the questions I posed earlier. For all intents and purposes, Duke and Cornell carry the same value with regards to prestige if you plan on name dropping.</p>
<p>I think the OP should seriously pick Cornell over duke. Some reasons are...</p>
<p>1> Cornell is an Ivy....Duke is more of a sports school. This should be enuf of a reason for most people....when you're 50 yrs old, Duke may not even be tier-1 any more.
2> Duke has a methodist affiliation. Most students are repelled by this immediately unless they come from the deep south.
3> Cornell is <strong>much</strong> more well known overseas -- in asia Duke won't turm any heads
4> The endowed colleges at Cornell are all more selective than Duke in terms of SAT scores.
(<a href="http://dpb.cornell.edu/irp/pdf/FactBook/Enrollment/Undergraduate/current_total.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://dpb.cornell.edu/irp/pdf/FactBook/Enrollment/Undergraduate/current_total.pdf</a> )</p>
<p>.........I don't think you should pass up Cornell for Duke. It may turn out to be an expensive mistake in 10 years.</p>
<p>dreaming - i really think you should follow your guts and instincts. i mean, you know you cant make a bad choice either way. consider every aspect of both schools. make pros/cons list. would it make you happier if people told you to go to cornell? duke? it took me a month to make up my mind between cornell and northwestern. (i'm going to cornell by the way, so i think you should come;)) i know how you feel, but once you get to your school, you'll be happy and proud.:) (following up on golubb_u, i dont know where you're from, but if you're from or plan to live in an asian country, i'd say go for cornell.)</p>
<p>and i think we should stop debating on the "prestige" thing. everyone has his/her own opinion and i think it'll be everyone's waste of time expressing it and trying to claim that his/her opinion is right over the others.</p>
<p>and i think we should avoid hurtful/offensive comments cuz we're all intelligent and smart.:p</p>
<p>Civility? LOL do not take my critique as an insult, my friend. However, you seemed to be frightened by me potentially lowering the school you chose to go to. I love Cornell. It is great and the people are super nice. However, even as being a potential Cornellian, I can at least admit that goluub's comment are some of the most inane ever posted.</p>
<p>Don't go to Duke b/c it is not ivy.
Duke is only known for bball.</p>
<p>My personal fave...Duke willl not be tier one in 50 years</p>
<p>Uhm....Huh?</p>
<p>DMC- it seems you're set on Duke. So you should probably go there and stop trolling Cornell.</p>
<p>DMC - no I'm not insulted or frightened about your opinions. I personally don't care what you have to think but when you post 50 times in one thread going "LOL duke r00lz cornell d0rzlz dude!!11 uuu" I get annoyed because I think I'm in an AOL Kid's Chatroom. Your tone is very aggressive and you are bringing up topics that are not even relevant to the OP's question. But since this thread has already been derailed (sorry dreaming), I'll take your bait and bite your attempts at trolling.</p>
<p>You are going by WSJ rankings, USNews ranking, and what you think. WSJ rankings look at per capita admits to a handful of top professional schools (Harvard, Yale, and some other school? correct me if I'm wrong). That is hardly a representative sample. Take into account Cornell's large size and varied programs - Hotel, Arch, Engr, etc. Most of those people do not go into law, medicine, or PhDs because they have no interest in those career paths. I can give you anecdotal evidence of my friends that are going to Harvard, Stanford, MIT, etc etc but that's hardly scientific evidence so why bother. USNews is known to be trash. Anyone with any sort of knowledge knows not to use that source as gospel. It's a good indicator of where a school generally stands but that's as far as it goes.</p>
<p>Since you're doing a comparison of the two schools and projecting Duke to be better than Cornell, let me play devil's advocate for a second. Cornell blows it out of the water in terms of the sciences and engineering. The professors have a lot of undergraduate focus too. I am working on a research project 1-on-1 with a well known professor and I also have two Nobel laureates, some of the smartest men in their fields, as professors this semester. Enough about the anecdotal evidence and on to rankings, since that is what you seem so keen on. The NRC rankings are a rank of graduate programs, but most of the prestige is derived from the research productivity of a school. It places Cornell ahead of Duke in ALL engineering (except BME) and science fields. They also approximately split the rankings "battle" in humanities and liberal arts fields.</p>
<p>Yes I am defending Cornell. When someone comes onto the Cornell board going "LOL cornel sux" and cites a couple ranking guides that may or may not be flawed, I feel the need to back my alma mater. There are rankings out there that put Cornell ahead of Duke, but rankings are stupid so there's no point in mentioning them.</p>
<p>Duke is a damn fine school and is comparable to Cornell. Congrats on your acceptance to both schools and good luck for your next four years in North Carolina. You'll learn by November that the whole aura of prestige goes out the window and you'll think you're silly for ever discussing this. Have fun :)</p>