OK State Architecture school, is it any good?

<p>My son screwed up the first two years of high school as we were moving around but is a very bright kid. He is doing great now and had great ACT scores a 31 and wants to be major in architecture.</p>

<p>We live in Texas, and he dream school is Texas A&M, but do to the HS GPA, he only has a 50/50 chance. We looked at Tech, but he did not like it.</p>

<p>My sons back up school is OK. State, OSU in Stillwater, OK. Does anyone now if the Arch school is good? Would it be a good school for someone wanting to say in the Texas SW Area?</p>

<p>What other schools would be something we should look at . What about NM.</p>

<p>How does OSU compare to other Schools like Texas Tech, KU, ARk, etc?</p>

<p>THanks</p>

<p>I would love to hear the answer to this one. Just like everything else, there seems to be a wide area of opinions. </p>

<p>There are some post further into this group, written by rick12, I think, which address ARCH schools in the Texas, Ok, Ark area.</p>

<p>My daughter’s problem is almost exactly the same, but she had been admitted to all of the mentioned schools, but doesn’t know which one is the best.</p>

<p>All the rankings from the various list seem to consistenly show these schools in the top 25, but the devil is in the details.</p>

<p>Looking forward to more feedback…</p>

<p>If you live in Texas, definitely look at University of Texas at Austin for Architecture. Also, Kansas State, University of Cincinnati are very good too. These answers are for your question about Architecture Education at State schools.</p>

<p>I think OSU is a fine school. I would rank it right behind Rice and UT Austin as one of the better schools in the SW. I think it is pretty comparable to Kansas and K State, and probably ahead of Texas Tech. I would rank all of them ahead of A&M. My son is applying for next year to OSU, Texas Tech, and Clemson. Arkansas has been pretty good at times, but I have not seen graduates from the school in a few years.</p>

<p>rick</p>

<p>rick 12, why do you think less of Texas A & M. In the Cramer report in DI in 2008, they rated Texas A & M as comparable to Rice and Kansas State with “high distinction”. Texas Tech and Univ of T at Arlington were ranked lower with “distinction”. This report basically has 4 categories of Arch schools: hghest distinction, high distinction, notable distinction and distinction.</p>

<p>DI’s rankings can be a little misleading. I believe they only rank professional programs, not four year undergraduate programs. A&M has a highly thought of Masters program in both healthcare design and computer visualization. However the 4 year environmental design degree does not have the same rigorous studio programs as say UTA, and the quality of the undergraduate work is not to the same standards as other schools in the region. The school attracts very bright students and has a lot of resources; they really should be doing better. I might also point out that A&M alumni are very loyal, and they produce a large number of graduates so that may skew the voting a bit. </p>

<p>rick</p>

<p>tj0827, my son has been interested in architecture or landscape arch. We did not visit OK schools but did visit some of the other schools you mentioned. Really liked K State’s and KU’s faculty, facilities and students. Plus their 5 year undergrad programs now award the MArch rather than the BArch. Also liked TxTech, but it was the first program we visited so we didn’t have much to compare it to at the time. I would have to agree with rick12 about the quality of the student work that we saw at A&M, it did not seem up to par with other undergrad student work we saw at other schools (plus A&M was not a good fit, in general). UT Austin was definitely the top program we visited, and my son took part in the summer arch program there, which gave him a good feel for the school and for deciding whether he wanted to study architecture.</p>

<p>Thanks rick12. I wish you had an east coast counterpart to reflect on the quality of the schools out my way.</p>

<p>What East Coast schools are you interested in? I’ve practiced in NY for many years, and also went to school here, and my daughter is now an undergraduate architecture student in the East, so perhaps I or some of my office colleagues can help.</p>

<p>We live in N.J. but my son does not want to go to school here in N.J. and I don’t see him going in NYC either. His first choice is in Ca (which is where I am from) but I can see from doing research that it will be challenging as an out of state student to get in. </p>

<p>I have just been generally researching which are the better programs here in the east and why. He is strong in Math and physics with a good eye for design. He was leaning toward engineering but is taking CAD in HS (loves it) and his teacher is an Architect. He is now more interested in Architecture. I don’t see him at a pure tech school but definitely a program that uses CAD or other technology.</p>

<p>In Penn. I have been looking at Penn State and Philadelphia University. Both also have Arch Engin. degree in case he swings back toward Engineering. </p>

<p>Upstate NY is Syracuse which golflover has given me some info about. I don’t think he could get into Cornell. His grades are strong but not Ivy league strong.</p>

<p>In Boston area: I have been reading about Northeastern, Wentworth, Univ of Mass. and Roger Williams Univ in R.I. I don’t look at the Art schools at all.</p>

<p>I don’t know much about Georgia tech or Illinois inst of tech or the other Illinois choices.</p>

<p>Where did you daughter apply and how did she choose the school she is now at?</p>

<p>Lakemom:</p>

<p>Lots of questions here, but I will try to break them down into smaller bites. But this is likely to be a long post. First, there’s a general misconception about the quantity of math necessary for architecture. As a general matter, math is not terribly important in either the study or practice of architecture (except for specialized portions of the field). In my entire career, the most math I have used is basic algebra. Many top-notch programs do not even require any college-level math at all, and the only physics is a special “physics-for-architects” which is basically statics. Being great at math and physics certainly doesn’t hurt, but it’s not essential. For many of the highly-ranked programs, students take more semesters of architectural history and theory than they do of math and physics-oriented studies.</p>

<p>Second is CAD. CAD is a tool, not an end in itself. It’s just an alternative drawing production method. It’s a very powerful and efficient one, but it’s still just a tool. At many if not most highly-ranked schools, they won’t let the kids touch the computer until the second year at the earliest, and even the third year. In order to design creatively, you need to be able to train your eye and your hand to interact to convert three dimensions into two and back again. You need to visualize, and “see” in three dimensions and translate that three-dimensional vision into two dimensions on paper. The computer can get in the way of this training, focusing instead on slick computer effects without design substance. The educational theory is “walk before you drive”. CAD drawings in a portfolio are highly discouraged in “portfolio-required” schools. Of course you need to learn it eventually, but only after you’ve learned to design without it.</p>

<p>That being said, most schools strive for a balance between design and technical proficiency. After all, very few of the graduates will wind up as “starchitects”, and most will have to combine design with technical skills. Architecture can lead you in many directions. As your son investigates schools, he should ask them what their focus is…technical or design. Ask when they introduce computers. Ask about how many semesters of math, how many of physics, how many of history, how many of theory. That will give you a very good idea of the focus of the program.</p>

<p>In the East especially, the trend is away from a 5-year Bachelor of Architecture degree in favor of a 4+2 BA/BS with a major in architecture plus a 2-year masters in architecture or a BA/BS in anything plus a 3-yr. or 3-1/2 yr. masters in architecture. But a few BArch. programs remain. Whatever programs you look at, make sure that they are accredited by the NAAB. These are the only ones that “count” toward eventually getting your architectural license. There’s a listing of all programs on the NAAB website.</p>

<p>As for specific 5-year BArch programs in the East, most of the most highly-ranked ones are design-oriented…(I am sure I will forget some here, and bring down the wrath of admissions and alums on my head, but so be it.)…i.e. Cornell, Syracuse, Cooper Union, RISD, Penn State, Carnegie-Mellon, Pratt. Other than actual Ivy Cornell, many of these are just as hard to get into as most Ivy’s, and highly value the portfolio and interview. For example, Syracuse, had, I think, close to 1100 applicants for only about 130+ or so spots last year. Carnegie-Mellon has similar stats. Cooper Union is free tuition, so they have a rep as being virtually impossible to achieve. Penn State seems to favor Pennsylvania residents. I have encountered many, many grads from all of these institutions in practice in the East. </p>

<p>Northeastern is interesting because of its very-well-thought-of co-op program. But it looked like it took more than 5 years as a result, and your son will need to be able to switch back and forth between work and school. Depends on the kid. Roger Williams is a smaller program with devoted faculty and alums…worth a careful look. SUNY-Buffalo has a good program which is more affordable and has grads throughout New York and the Northeast. </p>

<p>City University of New York also has a 5-year program, but they highly favor New York residents. Other ideas are New Jersey Institute of Technology, New York Institute of Technology, Wentworth. These have a more “technical reputation”, and are more regional, in my experience. </p>

<p>You might need to cast your net wider, and also consider 4+2 programs. Other places to look at include Miami Univ. of Ohio…I was very impressed with the focus, faculty and student output. Also Univ. of Delaware, Ohio State and Univ. of Illinois…all 4+2. </p>

<p>My daughter wanted a 5-year BArch school that was well-thought-of , “design-oriented” in a university setting, in an “urban” location, in a place that had a winter, that people in New York City had heard of, that would not absolutely require an airplane to get to. Which says that she sort of “designed” Syracuse as her first choice. Luckily, she got in and she loves it…just what she wanted. </p>

<p>I have realized that I have rambled. Sorry…</p>

<p>Thanks for all your input Archmom! Sorry to hijack your thread tj0827</p>

<p>You mention the ability to visualize 2-D to 3-D and back. Spatial skills are my son’s major strength. Visually, he easily converts 2-D to 3-D. He has built many 3-D models for school projects looking at a photograph or drawing and intuitively recognizes proportion without knowing original measurements. He does need to learn how to draw them though not just build models.</p>

<p>I think you have great advice on how to discuss with the schools the types of programs they try to deliver. I will review this with him when we start visiting schools. I definitely see the pros and cons of 5 yr vs “4 +2” and that decision will have to come in the mix. A few B.ARCH school offer both 4 yr and 5 yr tracks leaving the option open abit.</p>

<p>And for him, I am not entirely convinced he won’t swing back to Arch engineering so programs such as Penn State, Philadelphia Univ, UT at Austin, Cal poly, the Oklahoma schools and his other desired choice besides CA schools, Univ of Colorado in Boulder all have Arch engineering as an offered major as well. </p>

<p>I do understand what you mean about schools wanting to introduce CAD at their own pace and agree that one needs to learn the skill themselves visually, not just by using a computer. However, it is pretty clear that the computer is the tool of the future not the pen. Many of the special effects computers do are taken for granted by today’s youth and are less impressive to them. </p>

<p>Thanks again for all your helpful insights. Glad your daughter found such a good match for her schooling. I will read more about the schools outside of the N.E. as well.</p>