One family's BS search and application process — start to finish (and then some)

<p>TO BS PARENTS</p>

<p>I realllyyy want to go to boarding school (look at my most recent thread). However, my mom isn’t very thrilled with the idea. She feels that she will miss me too much and without me at home our family will be disconnected, and having me gone at college after that will make it even worse. How have you coped with missing your children at BS? Encouraging words? Any particular methods or systems you put into place with your child or children in order to stay in touch and keep a strong relationship?
I am also willing to go for the “let me at least apply, and we can go from there” approach. </p>

<p>In my view, Boarding is such a great opportunity and I dont want this to get in the way, please help me!</p>

<p>Bump for new crop of prospects (2014-15 app cycle)</p>

<p>SevenDad, St. Andrews is at the top of our short list but it’s going to be really challenging to get a 10th grade spot for one of Twin Ds. Their SSATs are 90th percentile, excellent grades, decent athletes, ECs, but no “hook” per se. Any advice on how to proceed? Has SAS lived up to your expectations?</p>

<p>@Twinsdad499 I can only kind of speak for @SevenDad, but as far as I know, SAS has SURPASSED his family’s expectations. (SevenDad’s glowing reports are the reason I applied.)</p>

<p>I love the counter-culture feel, Tad Roach, and his wife’s talks etc.but I’m getting my hopes up too soon…</p>

<p>@Twinsdad, some have considered, and had success with, a repeat ninth-grade app, but I suppose that’s something to speak directly with Admissions about. I’m not so sure that you need a “hook” to get in; this school is not quite as competitive as others where the hook word is thrown about with fervor. What SAS does value are genuine kids who will get along with others and contribute in multiple ways to improve the community. That is to say, the school wants students, and their families, who will embrace the “ethos” that is so clearly spelled out. The credentials you have referred to are quite reasonable, for starters. We love the school, but there are others out there that are great as well. If it stays your #1 over time, make sure to be able to articulate why when asked. Be patient, and good luck!</p>

<p>@Twinsdad499: A wiser man (retired/dormant SPS stalwart Winterset) than me once advised “Don’t fall in love with a school until the school falls in love with you.” (which is slightly different than the post-M10 “love the school that loves you” aka. “don’t wait to come off the wait list if you have an acceptance somewhere” adage).</p>

<p>While it’s tough not to “fall in love” with many of the schools mentioned on this forum, I think that advice is sound in terms of helping avoid disappointment. That said, we were definitely high on the school and let them know it.</p>

<p>I really have no advice for securing a slot at SAS, but I do think the school thinks about “fit” a lot…and not just from a “are they ready for the academic rigor” POV. </p>

<p>Regarding the 10th grade year, I think they add 10-12 kids to the rising frosh class (Form III, in SAS parlance) that point, so there are slots to be had. I would ask admissions what the number of kids who apply for 10th is. Keep in mind that SAS does not do PG years and except in very unusual circumstances does not take 1 year seniors.</p>

<p>You mention twins. SAS has a number of twins in various grades. So while your daughters may want to forge their own paths…know they would not be alone in their twin-dom should they both matriculate there.</p>

<p>As for expectations: Yes, the school has lived up to/exceeded our family’s expectations. I think it’s given my older daughter opportunities and experiences that would otherwise have not been available to her. She’s had great teachers and mentors. I love that school is small enough that the headmaster pretty much knows everyone by name…that when my wife and I see faculty and staff (including head Tad Roach) on campus, they know which kid belongs to us. I’ve heard other people whose kids are at larger schools say “Don’t worry about getting to know the AO, once the kid is in, you’ll never see your AO.” NOTHING could be farther from the truth about our SAS AO. Though my daughter’s never had her as a teacher (a few SAS AOs wear more than one hat), whenever we see her, we always hug and catch up about kids/life.</p>

<p>The campus is GORGEOUS. On a sunny day, walking out of Founders onto the front lawn towards Noxontown Pond…that view will take your breath away. </p>

<p>It’s not perfect. But then again no school is. There’s no superstar science facility a la SPS or Exeter (yet), but we find the facilities impressive. The new field house is stunning, in an understated way.</p>

<p>We consider ourselves fortunate to be part of the SAS family, and will be lifelong fans. Oh, and free laundry (but no laundry service)!</p>

<p>So, if it’s so great, why did my younger daughter not apply? The only reason my younger daughter did not apply to SAS is a because she is a nationally ranked athlete in a sport unsupported by the school…and the school’s structure (Saturday classes, mandatory chapels, etc.) would have made it near impossible for her to continue training/competing at the level she desires.</p>

<p>SAS only has 3-4 female spots to fill for the incoming sophomores. 30-40 girls applied this year as an incoming sophomore. There’s not as many spaces available for new sophomores as there used to be - it’s extremely competitive.</p>

<p>Source: An AO told my parents this information when I interviewed in February (2014).</p>

<p>@Twinsdad499 @SevenDad</p>

<p>@Charger78, I humbly disagree about how difficult it is to get into SAS. </p>

<p>Thanks @prepschoolwannab for the data points. Discouraging as they may be, we will have to “keep calm and carry on” that the process will unfold as it is meant to be. I agree that it’s all about fit on both sides- student and school- so We can only hope our girls will have options at BS that are the right fit for them. Will keep you posted along the way. :wink: </p>

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<p>There’s only so much you can do. Make sure they maintain their excellent grades and ECs. Maybe have them try out a new EC? After all, applications are due January 2015 for them (I presume?) and you have plenty of time. (Make sure they’re actually interested in the ECs they engage in though, and that they’re not only doing it for the resumé.) Maybe have them try out something unique that could become a “hook” for them? (Perhaps the tuba?) Or have them seize opportunities-- competitions/recitals etc-- related to the ECs they’re interested/talented at? I, myself, started X Country a year before my applications were due-- I’ve always loved running and although I didn’t win any major accolades, it made me more well-rounded and showed that I was ambitious. Of course, I’m not sure whether they helped much with my admissions process, but it certainly didn’t hurt to try! (BTW, these recommendations are just there to POTENTIALLY help you with the admissions process. This does NOT mean that your daughters won’t be able to get into boarding schools with the résumes they have now.)</p>

<p>Just remember, all these prep schools are difficult to get into. As you’ve stated, “keep calm and carry on” if they aren’t accepted (which I doubt). Everything happens for a reason (haha, I know it’s cliché), and boarding schools won’t necessarily grant them happier lives.</p>

<p>Hope this helps :)</p>

<p>Wouldn’t want to argue with you, twins, but just alluding to the fact that 25% is a different order than 10-15%, which is what a handful of “name” schools throw about for their admit rates. But 25 is low, no doubt about it. My comment was strictly in relative terms to the few schools in NE and CA with those ultra-low stats. </p>

<p>The rest of my post is not meant to refute, merely to give subjective and fallible opinion based on somewhat insider observations. Perhaps prospectives can get a fuller picture of the school from this. </p>

<p>Larger schools, I feel, are building a class moreso than SAS, and seek demonstrated performance in selected areas to a degree somewhat beyond what SAS is. With over a thousand applicants, that may well allow for more discriminating standards of performance. (ex. L’ville/Deerfield really wants that club/camp lacrosse player, but SAS wants that sibling who also plays lacrosse, and might not even have started or made varsity at those other schools.) OTOH, I’ve heard from credible source that SAS is doing more class-building than in the past. </p>

<p>As to SAS in particular, I have noticed, as standing out, the following:
– (very) wealthy families, esp. from Manhattan, Charlotte and central NJ/Somerset
– northern NJ/NYC minority families
– tidewater/“rural” MD/DE families, often from a few “sending schools”
– children of “public service” employees, like schoolteachers
– the normal % faculty children (almost all)
– siblings, legacies
– Bermuda! (outsized; S. Korea, China have higher % too)
– overlap in the above groups
– smallish numbers from the periphery states of the 26 sending students (and, no doubt, an interest in maintaining that number around 25-26)</p>

<p>At least some of these are undoubtedly “hooks”, so I should retract/revise the hooks statement above. </p>

<p>I have observed only a very few kids from these SAS groups that didn’t seem obviously talented or active in some way useful to the school. Most Saints, well over half, show proficiency or better in at least one activity, often a new one to them, but most of these did their middles school ECs, I’m guesstimating, average to well, not already amazing/prizeworthy in eighth grade. (Our state Gatorade cross-country star achieved that award in only her first year of competitive running; she’s so all-around athletic, but decided to join the orchestra her second year at school, which is the typical “branching out” at SAS.) </p>

<p>It’s interesting to speculate on how well schools “develop and grow” their freshmen talent over the years, versus taking in admits who are pretty much superstars from start to finish (though these obviously grow too). I like that some schools are really interested in how far classes come along, as opposed to being fixated on the achievements of the academic or sports stars. Coming along, at SAS, is thought of very holistically, though excellence in intellectual exploration is certainly encouraged, just not in the competitive, naming names way. (Outside end of year awards, the school never publishes honor roll lists, etc.) </p>

<p>@Twinsdad499 I’d certainly go ahead with applying to SAS; the odds aren’t easy but they’re never easy at any school for sophomore applicants. SAS is a very unique place in many ways and it’s totally worthwhile to apply. The AO’s do seem to focus in on how an applicant would “fit” there and it’s important that they do. It’s a small school and they want to maintain that family-like atmosphere where everybody feels safe. I applied twice to SAS and was waitlisted twice. I don’t think it’s as much a reflection on my academic and extracurricular performance as it is how I would “fit” there. I fell into a highly over represented applicant category as well; Caucasian needing significant FA from a region/area way over represented at SAS. Fit is important at every school, and I just don’t think the fit factor was there for me. I’m totally okay with that, and I’ve got other great options for school next year.</p>

<p>Good luck to you and your twins!</p>

<p>@Charger78, I can’t help but wonder how much room is left for those outside the groups you mentioned; it’s a small school, after all. </p>

<p>@TwinsDad,
Legendary bank robber Willies Sutton supposedly said he robbed banks * “because that’s where the money is.” *</p>

<p>Well, a rational approach to deciding which schools to pursue is to determine which ones actually have the most available slots for new students. When formulating a list of schools for GMTson2 for 10th grade admission, I looked closely not just at admit rates and SSAT scores, but at how many slots were available for new 10th grade boarders. On this basis, SAS was not a good strategic risk for 10th grade admission (sorry SevenDad & Charger). It simply has too few slots for new 10th graders coupled with a very selective, low admit rate. </p>

<p>Some other schools which are also particularly difficult for 10th grade boarding applicants: Thacher, Cate, Groton. Same reason-- too few available slots. </p>

<p>This is a helpful U.S. Dept of Eduction website for getting data on how many kids are in each grade:
<a href=“http://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pss/privateschoolsearch/school_detail.asp?Search=1&SchoolName=groton&NumOfStudentsRange=more&IncGrade=-1&LoGrade=-1&HiGrade=-1&ID=00603075”>http://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pss/privateschoolsearch/school_detail.asp?Search=1&SchoolName=groton&NumOfStudentsRange=more&IncGrade=-1&LoGrade=-1&HiGrade=-1&ID=00603075&lt;/a&gt;
GMTson2’s guidance counselor also advised that Groton just wasn’t worth trying after 9th grade, considering the rabidly daunting number of applicants chasing the dire dearth of slots.</p>

<p>This is my estimation of the **approximate number of new 10th BOARDING boys or girls admitted<a href=“i.e.%20it’s%20already%20divided%20by%202”>/b</a>, w yield already factored in. Do NOT take these numbers literally. Just use them as rough indications of whether a school has plenty of slots or few slots. This is not an complete list. I excluded schools that are single-sex or have high % day students, or have SSAT scores below 65%. </p>

<p>66 Berkshire School
66 Northfield Mount Hermon
56 Kent School
55 Loomis Chaffee<br>
47 Taft School
41 Phillips Academy
40 Deerfield Academy
39 Phillips Exeter
37 Choate Rosemary Hall
37 Hotchkiss School
31 Lawrenceville School
30 St. Paul’s School
25 Hill School
25 St. George’s School
23 St. Mark’s School
19 Peddie School
19 Webb Schools
17 Episcopal High
17 Middlesex School
15 Blair Academy
15 Groton School
11 Cate School
9 St. Andrew’s School
3 Thacher School</p>

<p>I can take into account that schools have different levels of selectivity. Therefore, if I multiply the number of available slots by admit rate, then this is the “risked” number of new 10th BOARDING boys or girls admitted:</p>

<p>22 Kent School
20 Berkshire School
19 Northfield Mount Hermon
15 Loomis Chaffee
11 Taft School
9 Hill School
7 Lawrenceville School
7 Choate Rosemary Hall
7 Episcopal High
7 St. Mark’s School
7 Hotchkiss School
7 St. George’s School
7 Phillips Exeter
6 Phillips Academy
5 St. Paul’s School
5 Deerfield Academy
5 Webb Schools
4 Blair Academy
4 Peddie School
4 Middlesex School
2 Cate School
2 St. Andrew’s School
2 Groton School
0 Thacher School</p>

<p>If you want to run your own numbers for other schools or grades, I’ve determined a fairly decent empirical formula for yield rate:
0.06*(avgSSATpercentile ÷ admit rate) + 0.35 = Yield </p>

<p>So for Choate:
0.06 * (85% ÷ 19%) + 0.35 = 0.62 Yield</p>

<p>Obviously, picking “winners” is not just math. This was just a starting point to delineate which schools are an especially good or risky bet. For the “riskier” schools that GMTson2 applied to, we made sure to highlight something special he had to offer the school (a hook), to try to improve his worthiness for serious consideration.</p>

<p>GMTplus7- incredibly helpful. I hadn’t thought it as a mathematical problem but of course it does factor in a lot. I noticed Westminster wasn’t on your list- is this because of SSAT scores or Day student population? Where did your son end up?</p>

<p>Hmm, strange… I don’t know why Westminster isn’t on the list. It certainly is a good school. </p>

<p>Anyhow, like I said, this is not an exhaustive list. Just wanted to share the approach I took to identify the higher opportunity schools for 10th grade applicants. There are more mathematical gleanings that I shared in this thread, regarding some anomalies I noticed in SSAT vs SAT scores, admit rates & endowment size:
<a href=“Question on "second tier" schools - Prep School Admissions - College Confidential Forums”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/prep-school-admissions/1628623-question-on-second-tier-schools-p1.html&lt;/a&gt;
Westminster is one of the hot opportunity schools I identified as as “academic sleeper”; it produces high SAT scores.</p>

<p>I should add that Loomis just finished construction on a new dorm that will open this fall. That will further enhance its ranking as a good opportunity for boarding applicants.</p>

<p>The math helped to shape a strategic list of schools for S2, but in the end he still to like the school and still had to get himself in. (I knew there was some reason I needed to stay awake in Algebra class in middle school…)</p>

<p>Bump.</p>

<p>Another bump for families with kids applying for 2015 matriculation.</p>

<p>Thank you very much for your information it was very helpful. I don’t understand how they could ever reject your daughter at Choate. Do you have the slightest reason why?</p>