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Colleges and Universities A-Z University of Michigan
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<p>“I haven’t studied all of the data you reference, but your post strikes me as written by an obvious Michigan fan.”</p>

<p>Let us go through the data I referenced together. Michigan:</p>

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<li><p>Has a much better Engineering program
Michigan’s college of Engineering is usually ranked anywhere between #5 and #10 nationally. Only MIT, Stanford, Cal and Caltech are considered better. UNC does not really have an Engineering program, and the little it offers in the field of Engineering is considerably inferior to what Michigan has to offer.</p></li>
<li><p>Has a slightly stronger Business program
Both Ross and Kenan Flagler are excellent, but Ross has the upper hand. According to the latest rankings of undergraduate business schools, Ross was ranked #3 while Kenan Flagler was ranked #7. The difference here is not that significant, but it still favors Ross.</p></li>
<li><p>Is ranked higher than UNC in virtually every traditional discipline (save Chemistry)
According to the latest USNWR rankings of individual disciplines, Michigan edged UNC in 11 of the 12 ranked fields:</p></li>
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<p>BIOLOGY</p>

<h1>20 Michigan</h1>

<h1>24 UNC</h1>

<p>CHEMISTRY</p>

<h1>13 UNC</h1>

<h1>16 Michigan</h1>

<p>COMPUTER SCIENCE</p>

<h1>13 Michigan</h1>

<h1>20 UNC</h1>

<p>EARTH SCIENCES</p>

<h1>9 Michigan</h1>

<p>UNC unranked</p>

<p>ECONOMICS</p>

<h1>12 Michigan</h1>

<h1>35 UNC</h1>

<p>ENGLISH</p>

<h1>13 Michigan</h1>

<h1>16 UNC</h1>

<p>HISTORY</p>

<h1>7 Michigan</h1>

<h1>12 UNC</h1>

<p>MATHEMATICS</p>

<h1>8 Michigan</h1>

<h1>30 UNC</h1>

<p>PHYSICS</p>

<h1>11 Michigan</h1>

<h1>36 UNC</h1>

<p>POLITICAL SCIENCE</p>

<h1>4 Michigan</h1>

<h1>13 UNC</h1>

<p>PSYCHOLOGY</p>

<h1>3 Michigan</h1>

<h1>13 UNC</h1>

<p>SOCIOLOGY</p>

<h1>3 Michigan</h1>

<h1>5 UNC</h1>

<p>Clearly, UNC is string across the board, but Michigan is slightly stronger.</p>

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<li>Has an endowment of $7.5 billion compared to UNC’s $2.2 billion
This is pretty straight forward and based on official data. Michigan hss the 6th largest endowment of any single campus in the US, behind only Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton and MIT. UNC is #33 among single campus universities.</li>
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<li>Has a consistently higher peer assessment rating (4.5 average for Michigan vs 4.2 average for UNC)</li>
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<p>Again, this is merely the opinion of university presidents and deans, but it shows that Michigan is considered slightly stronger than UNC.</p>

<p>And those are just criteria that automatically address quality of undergraduate education. As a university overall, Michigan also has significantly better Law and Medical school, and a far larger and more spread-out (both nationally and internationally) alumni base seriously upgrading the status of the institution.</p>

<p>Michigan Law is generally considered one of the top 10, while UNC does not really factor in among the top 25 Law schools. According to the latest USNWR ranking, Michigan Law was #10 while UNC was #38. Michigan’s Medical school is also always ranked among the top 10, while UNC is not usually ranked among the top 20. According to the latest USNWR ranking, Michigan Medical was ranked #10, while UNC was #21. In terms of alumni geographic representation, Michigan is extremely well represented in the Northeast and in the West Coast, and has literally three times more international students than UNC. This really enhances Michigan reputation.</p>

<p>I definitely think UNC is excellent, but Michigan is slightly better, just as Cal is slightly better than Michigan.</p>

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<p>RJ…</p>

<p>When you consider the “ties” in those rankings there is very little difference between Mich and UNC in terms of med school. UNC is tied with Baylor and Emory, both known aside from a US News ranking as superb. UNC is also 8 miles from another top 10 school, Duke, which is not true for Mich. The medical opportunities and training in that area (and hence reference to Research Triangle) are outstanding. I don’t consider a 3-way tie at #10 and a 3-way tie at #21 a significant difference. And just in terms of a national impression I don’t see any significant difference between MICH and UNC prestige-wise. They are consistently considered a top 5 public so IMHO you are splitting hairs beyond that. If you’re going to argue that Mich is just as good or better than NU then I think it’s contradictory to then claim any significant separation from UNC (or UVA). I prefer Mich not because of prestige but because of impression of less of an elite fraternity kind of vibe and greater overall diversity.</p>

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<p>^^^^Alexandre, in my view, your post proves my point (not the other way around). Also a little unfair to claim major advantage in the engineering area when as you say UNC really doesn’t have one (because NC State has one 15 miles away) :). Most of the “edges” you cited are very, very slight. And you’re not calculating in the regional strength and value of going to school in that area. Michigan has nothing close to Duke as a neighbor (or Wake Forest, Davidson, etc). I would add that UNC in some ways hurts itself in the ways you suggest by taking less OOS kids due to a legislative mandate (I think 82% have to be in-state). If that was loosened, you would see a flood of OOS kids going to UNC (for the weather if no other reason but also because of the national impression that it is very prestigious and a very difficult OOS admit…as you apparently know first-hand :)).</p>

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<p>It does depend on one’s point of view. Yours is certainly valid too.</p>

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<p>I don’t think the cost of Michigan OOS is worth it if it is going to be a stretch for family when UNC and Tulane are in the picture for much less. And I think UNC is the better deal unless the OP finds the atmosphere, locale and feel of TUlane a better fit, for the same price.</p>

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<p>Alexandre, I believe Michigan’s PA is a 4.4 and not a 4.5. There is hardly any difference between a 4.4 and a 4.2 just as there isn’t between a 4.4 and a 4.6. Do you consider Chicago, Cornell, and Johns Hopkins to be “slightly stronger” than Michigan?</p>

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<p>goldenboy, I clearly stated “on average”. UNC’s PA is always 4.2/5.0. Most years, Michigan’s PA is at 4.5. Three times in the last 10 years (2007, 2011 and 2013 editions), Michigan’s PA was 4.4, the remaining 7 years (2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2012 editions), Michigan’s PA was 4.5. And while I do not consider Cornell (my other alma matter) and JHU better than Michigan, I do in fact consider Chicago (along with Cal and Columbia) better.</p>

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<p>alexandre is correct, the cost of attending UCB for resident is $33K</p>

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<p>I just want to say my family can afford to send me anywhere without hardship.</p>

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<p>JerseyGuy, in your case, go with which ever school you like best. UNC and Michigan are excellent. Tulane is not in the same league.</p>

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<p>“alexandre is correct, the cost of attending UCB for resident is $33K”</p>

<p>Therefore, if you are a resident of CA, I would go with Cal over Michigan. Haas and Ross are equally good, but at $20k discount, Haas is a much better deal. If you are not a CA resident, Cal will cost you as much as Michigan. In this case, I would go with fit, unless Ross preadmits, in which case, Michigan makes better sense than Cal.</p>

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<p>I guess my question should be rephrased. Even for someone who can afford it, is the out of state cost worth it?</p>

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<p>JerseyGuy, you stated that money is not a consideration or concern; that your family could easily afford the cost difference. If that is the case, then yes, Michigan is worth it…if you like it better. However, if you like UNC better, I would go for UNC.</p>

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<p>There are two reasons to go to Tulane over Michigan. 1. Mardi. 2. Gras.</p>

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<p>On a more serious note, the one thing people are forgetting is OP has three years of In-state tuition at UNC not four. While I would strongly advise anyone in-state in NC, VA or CA to go their state’s flagship university over OOS at Mich., if money is a little object (unless your Bill Gate’s S, its never no object) and the tuition break is for three years, not four, go whereever you will be happiest, which most people on this board will tell you would be Michigan (not that there is any bias towards Mich on this board).</p>

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<p>JerseyGuy95, good luck with getting your deferral to Duke reversed into an acceptance and your decision making process between Tulane, UMich, UNC, etc. You will end up at a fine school next Fall no doubt.</p>

<p>I know someone who turned out Penn, Duke, Stanford, and MIT for Tulane’s Dean’s Honor Scholarship. Guess where he’s at now? Stanford Law! Schools don’t inherently make students better or worse; its all about how you use the resources at your disposal.</p>

<p>Some scholarship programs may offer more individualized attention from faculty plus priority registration in class in additional to the obvious financial incentives so I would keep that in mind.</p>

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<p>I grew up near Tulane, my daughter was admitted there, but will attend Ann Arbor this fall. I am also a Chapel Hill alumnus. Due to the OOS 18% cap at Chapel Hill, I can assure you it is as hard to get in there as any Ivy. Since it is always ranked as one of the best schools for value, people kill themselves to get in. Daughter did not apply to UNC out of respect for her brother, who could not get in. The schools are academic peers (Ann Arbor and Chapel Hill). The rankings bear that out as well as Richard Moll’s The Public Ivies. No need to fret over which one is better. It’s pretty much a tie. Since cost is not a factor, I would pick your school based on comfort/fit. Period. Midwest vs. Southern. Weather. What matters to you? Ann Arbor’s campus has a more sophisticated feel but Chapel Hill is by far more pretty. You’ll know what I mean if you visit. If you’re leaning towards Chapel Hill, I’d save the cash for Grad School. You have a good problem. Enjoy this time in your life. And please, trust me on this, don’t go to Duke. After you’ve been in NC for awhile, you’ll get it.</p>