Out of State Advice

Hey CCer’s!

I’m currently a High School senior in Utah with aspirations for Ivy League Law via History Major. I’m very interested in Attending UCSB, its been my dream school since elementary school. I have visited the campus and I’m absolutely in love with the location, the people, the professors, and success the university has had. However, OOS tuition is just not going to fly, on top of that my parents are very ‘pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps’ sort of people so I’m getting very little help financially. My dad makes too much money for need based aid.

I don’t want to end up with mountain loads of debt(for a history major!), especially with how set I am on Law School. I understand a Utah school is probably my best bet financially, but I don’t get excited about any of the schools here. I really want to get out of this state.

Can I go for the community college in Santa Barbara, and transfer to UCSB after I get my residency? Or pick the safe route, suck it up, and go to a Utah public or BYU (which is dirt cheap). I know Law School Admissions is a numbers game, but I’m worried about how a Community College might be perceived.

I keep getting 34s on my practice ACTs, so college.niche expects me to be in the 95+percentile of applicants to UCSB come the September test date. My grades and course load are strong but my ECs aren’t anything special. I also have heard merit aid is practically non existent for OOS applicants to UC schools. I have ideas for other out of state uni’s where I could get decent/good aid but UCSB is the dream.

Do you guys have any suggestions/advice on what I should do? Am I just kidding myself wanting to go out of state for a history degree, especially with law school on my mind?

Thanks in advance for all your help!

Unless your parents move to California with you while attending college, you will be considered a dependent and the UC’s will still use their income to determine financial aid and their state of residency. You can only establish California residency as a financially independent student. See details below:

Undergraduates: If you’re a nonresident undergraduate student with nonresident parents, obtaining California residency for the purposes of tuition is extremely difficult (this includes transfer students from community colleges and other postsecondary institutions within California). Virtually all nonresident undergraduates with nonresident parents remain nonresidents for the duration of their undergraduate career at UC.

Establishing physical presence and intent

To meet these requirements, you must be continuously physically present in California for more than one year (366 days) immediately prior to the residence determination date (generally the first day of classes) and intend to make California your home permanently. You can demonstrate your intention to stay in California by relinquishing legal ties to your former state and establishing legal ties to California.

Here are some ways you can establish intent:

Remain in California when school is not in session.
Register to vote and vote in California elections.
Designate your California address as permanent on all school and employment records, including current military records.
Obtain a California driver’s license within 10 days of settling in California. (If you’ve never had a driver’s license in any state, then obtain a California identification card.)
If you have a car, obtain a California motor vehicle registration within 20 days of settling in California.
Work in California and file California resident income tax forms from the date of entry into the state. Income earned outside of California after that date must also be declared in California.
Establish and maintain active bank accounts in California banks and close out-of-state accounts.
Surrender all out-of-state identification (including driver’s license).
Establish a permanent home where your belongings are kept.
Obtain a license for professional practice in California.
You’ll need to relinquish out-of-state ties and demonstrate intent while simultaneously meeting the physical presence requirement.

Financial independence

Nonresident undergraduates

This requirement makes it extremely difficult for most undergraduates who are not financially dependent on a California-resident parent to qualify for classification as a California resident.

If you’re an unmarried undergraduate under the age of 24 and your parent(s) are not California residents, you must be able to document (for example, using tax returns, W-2 forms, bank statements) that you have been totally self-sufficient for two full years prior to the residence determination date, supporting yourself, for example, through jobs, financial aid, commercial/institutional loans in your name only, and documentable savings from your earnings. This also means you can’t have been claimed as an income tax dependent by any individual or have accepted gifts (cash or other support) that contributed to your subsistence for two tax years immediately preceding the term.

Exceptions to the financial independence requirement

You may not need to meet this requirement for establishing residency if:

You’re a veteran of the U.S. Armed Forces.
You’re a ward of the court or both of your parents are deceased.
You have legal dependents other than a spouse.
You’re married and won’t be claimed as an income tax deduction by your parents or any other individual for the tax year immediately preceding the request for resident classification.

My advice: Stay in Utah for Undergrad and then apply to California Law schools.

Dang that is pretty strict. Thank you for your help

CA privates with merit aid would end up cheaper than OOS UCs.