<p>oh got it, you mean the ones who already LEECHED off of Michigan high schools for years, LEECHED off of public services in Michigan and for a lot of them, LEECHED off of welfare out of Michigan’s budget UNDESERVEDLY and ILLEGALLY. I guess you are right, a few of them do pay taxes when they are forced to by their employer, but research shows that the majority of illegal immigrants do not actually obtain a social security number/tax id to pay tax, but rather work in cash.</p>
<p>Higher education is not a human right, but a privilege.</p>
<p>And how does this work? You come out of the closet after all these years and confess up that you are an illegal immigrant, and get in-state tuition privilege. Wouldn’t you and your family also expect to get a visit from the immigration office?</p>
<p>I agree with you on the illegal immigrant front. With that said, how many illegals can even take advantage of this offer? I don’t think it’s going to cause some crazy pop in Latino applicants. The avg Latino ACT score is like 18 and only 2% of Michigan Latinos take one or more AP courses. This is just a progressive PR gesture that doesn’t really impact that student body. Agree?</p>
<p>Gee, bearcats, perhaps I could understand your logic better if you used the word leeches a few more times. Or maybe found some other dehumanizing epithets for these people that would help elucidate your rational argument.</p>
<p>Going to the poor house to send your kid to an OOS state school – whether it’s UCLA, UVa, Michigan or UNC – is nothing more than trying to keep up with the Jones. Letting your kid go have fun at a big state school is a luxury reserved for the wealthy or those that earn scholarships and aid. This is all stupid ego and chasing prestige – and maybe a little inability say no to you kid (i.e. “No, we can’t afford that”) that will have a devastating impact on the family. In this case, it is absolutely NOT worth it.</p>
<p>One line of logic that I’ve heard is that if these unauthorized students were qualified enough to overcome all of the obstacles and challenges that are no doubt tied to their situation, while simultaneously obtaining the academic qualifications to get admittance into Michigan, they have the potential to be a massive asset to the state, and we should try to keep them here.</p>
<p>The logic that I believe the regents used however was the fact that the only unauthorized immigrants who are qualified for instate tuition are those who have who have at minimum attended and graduated both middle and high school in Michigan. These are students, through no fault of their own, have learned to call Michigan their home. I remember that one of the regents stated their opinion that the old policies were punishing the kid for the mistakes of the parent. </p>
<p>Anyways, the change isn’t at all unprecedented. As far as I’m aware, Western Michigan University has had the exact same policy with regards to unauthorized immigrants for a number of years.</p>
<p>“Illegal Immigrants Give Billions to Medicare, Social Security With No Hope of Benefit | Reporting on Health”</p>
<p>The epic fail on that logic, is that the average illegal immigrant, still benefit more from the per capita government spending, than the per-illegal immigrant tax dollar they contribute. So all-in-all they are net drainers on the system, no matter how much people like to narrowly point at their “contributions”.</p>
<p>KronOmega, let’s apply your logic somewhere else.
A couple, who are savvy bank robbers, amassed a massive wealth through their crimes. They settled down, had kids. Kids since birth had the best of the world provided to them, best clothes, best food, best private school education. These are kids, through no fault of their own, have learned to call this lifestyle their own. Bearcats has stated his opinoin that confiscating the parents wealth would be punishing the kid for the mistakes of the parent. </p>
<p>How do you feel about this? If you think this inconsistency is fine, where do we draw the line between crime that matters and crimes that don’t? Should we have 2 different sets of federal laws as it pertains to kids? One where punishing the kid matters and one where it doesnt?</p>
<p>These two cases are actually almost identical. Parents committing a crime, benefiting from things/status that never belonged to them. Now you are saying the kids should benefit from these criminally obtained things/status because you shouldn’t punish the kid?</p>
<p>“Parents committing a crime, benefiting from things/status that never belonged to them. Now you are saying the kids should benefit from these criminally obtained things/status because you shouldn’t punish the kid?”</p>
<p>I’d love to know how many illegal Hispanics are qualified to gain acceptance into Michigan. Why argue about something that has no impact on the student body?</p>
<p>The OP is a middle class OOS parent who thinks a has a say in what Michigan charges. He doesn’t. Whoa is me I can’t afford $60,000 a year to send my kid out of state – IT’S U OF M’S FAULT. Please. Ironic because he’s asking for a break, i.e. a handout, and he prob voted for Romney. It’s like buying a Porsche and being shocked when they charge an extra $2,000 for the paint color you want. If the two grand swing bothers you then you’re shopping for a more expensive car than you can afford. But to some people, it’s all about keeping up the appearance. Whether it’s a luxury car or fitting in with everyone else who is sending their kid to expensive out of state schools.</p>
<p>I totally agree that OutofStateParent is looking for a greater say in what the University of Michigan charges non-resident students than a non-Michigander ought to get. (I think a non-resident’s choices can fairly be limited to “take it” and “leave it.” ) But beyond that, it seems to me like a lot of straw-man assumptions about a poster who, as far as I can recall, really tried to start a reason- and data-driven discussion. </p>
<p>I admit that this thread took a most disagreeable turn (and that I have been slow trying to help get it back on course), but I don’t think the OP was steering when that turn occurred.</p>
<p>“You can void AP credits. You don’t have to go in with any credits.”</p>
<p>AP credits save you money as a college of Engineering student. Coming in with a lot of AP credits allow you to easily graduate early. It’s true that there is a small tuition increase as soon as you hit Junior credit level. However, the semester or two you will NOT be paying for (since you will be graduating early) will definitely make up for the early Junior level tuition increase.</p>
<p>??? Like all iillegal immigrants are Hispanic and Hispanics aren’t smart enough to go to Michigan? Sounds like the Frito Bandito to me. Illegal immigrants come from all over the world and I would surmise that plenty of hispanics are qualified to gain acceptance inito Michigan.</p>
<p>ehh… I never said that AP credits weren’t good things. I was just telling people that you can void them if they don’t help you. I don’t much about Engineering, but in LSA, I know a lot of people that voided some of their AP credits.</p>