<p>Academics are often politicians, at least withing academia. Departments and universities are incredibly political.</p>
<p>Over: Wash U, Vanderbilt, Brown</p>
<p>Under: Georgetown, Emory, Cornell</p>
<p>Syracuse U</p>
<p>Yep; I know that the politics are tough at any large concern. The point here is that FSU was apparently penalized for hiring Wetherell. Time for that to stop.</p>
<p>Notoriously overrated: WUStL, Cornell
Severely overrated: UC Berkeley, UCLA, Harvard, MIT, CalTech
Mildly Overrated: Princeton, Yale, Stanford, Northwestern, the rest of the UCs
Mildly Underrated: NYU (Stern), Dartmouth, U of Chicago, Michigan
Severely underrated: Tufts, Brown, McGill
Notoriously underrated: Northeastern</p>
<p>If Vandy is overrated then so is Emory. Emory is basically sucking its money/prestige out of its med school while Vandy does the same with its law school.</p>
<p>If Emory is overrated it's in the South (or maybe the Northeast and midwest as well, I wouldn't know those areas very well). Basically, I would say it's undeard (to most students) in the West, and that's only a slght exageration.</p>
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Notoriously overrated: WUStL, Cornell
Severely overrated: UC Berkeley, UCLA, Harvard, MIT, CalTech
Mildly Overrated: Princeton, Yale, Stanford, Northwestern, the rest of the UCs
Mildly Underrated: NYU (Stern), Dartmouth, U of Chicago, Michigan
Severely underrated: Tufts, Brown, McGill
Notoriously underrated: Northeastern
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how is Michigan underrated?</p>
<p>Drew, academe ranks Michigan between #7 and #13 in the nation. Recruiters also rank Michigan among their top 10 campuses. Over 100 top 10 departments and over 150 top 20 departments. The 6th largest endowment in the nation. And yet, some still insist it isn't a top 20 university. Michigan is definitely underrated. However, I do not think it is sufficiently underrated to merit any sort of special mention.</p>
<p>Drew, academe ranks Michigan between #7 and #13 in the nation. Recruiters also rank Michigan among their top 10 campuses. Over 100 top 10 departments and over 150 top 20 departments. The 6th largest endowment in the nation. And yet, some still insist it isn't a top 20 university. Michigan is definitely underrated. However, I do not think it is sufficiently underrated to merit any sort of special mention.</p>
<p>Maybe it's because I'm from a family full of wolverines (parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, great grandparents, etc...) or maybe it's because I live in ann arbor. But all I ever hear about U of M is that it is an amazing school and its programs rival that of the Ivies.</p>
<p>Rivaling the Ivies is a very broad term. Michigan rivals Columbia, Cornell and Penn. Brown and Dartmouth are completely different and Harvard, Princeton and Yale are in a league of their own. So yes, Michigan definitely rivals some of the Ivies, but overall, it is way too different to compare it to the majority of the Ivies. One thing is sure, at #25, Michigan is slightly underrated. Michigan should definitely be ranked in the top 20. Some would even argue it belongs in the top 10.</p>
<p>Giving Umich ugrad too much credit again...</p>
<p>^ I second that. Top 10? Who would argure this.....possibly UM grads?</p>
<p>Only stupid people. U Mich undergrad should know its place, which is far away from the top 10 in the account of any sane, rational, intelligent, and well-informed person.</p>
<p>:rolleyes:</p>
<p>I consider these colleges underrated: Whitman, Grinell, Carnegie Mellon, Macalester</p>
<p>Most academics would rank UM one of the Top 10 schools in the US overall. I believe the president of Stanford noted this in his critique of the USNews rankings. Is he stupid?? How this translates to undergrad is open to debate but it has an excellent reputation overall with the other top schools in the country.</p>
<p>Stanford letter to US News</p>
<p>What does "most academics" possibly mean? If UMich is even top 20, what school would it replace?</p>
<p>Underrated: SMU. There's a reason why their graduates are successful: they have more internship opportunities than they have students. Even if you are going to go to grad school, experience cannot be underestimated.</p>
<p>Most academics would mean the faculty and senior level staff at universities. It could replace many of the second line privates such as WUstl, Vandy, ND, etc.</p>
<p>"I am extremely skeptical that the quality of a university - any more than the quality of a magazine - can be measured statistically. However, even if it can, the producers of the U.S. News rankings remain far from discovering the method. Let me offer as prima facie evidence two great public universities: the University of Michigan-Ann Arbor and the University of California-Berkeley. These clearly are among the very best universities in America - one could make a strong argument for either in the top half-dozen. Yet, in the last three years, the U.S. News formula has assigned them ranks that lead many readers to infer that they are second rate: Michigan 21-24-24, and Berkeley 23-26-27."</p>
<p>"Most academics" is a nebulous, unsubstaniable and hollow assertion.</p>
<p>One certainly couldn't make an argument for either one of these schools in the top half-dozen based on the academic credentials of its undergrad student body.</p>