Oxford vs Cambridge

<p>This thread seems to have gone off topic but I think some questions need answering regarding studying medicine in the UK.</p>

<p>Medicine is a 5-6 year undergraduate course. You can only apply to 4 medical schools in one year. As 082349 says, most medicine applicants in the UK apply for 4 medical schools and one closely related subject (as you can apply to 5 unis maximum).</p>

<p>As far as I know, medicine is the only course in the UK which has a national quota. This means the universities have to fill all the expected vacancies in the British National Health Service (NHS) with UK/EU students, before they can accept any internationals. This accounts for the very small numbers of international admissions discussed above. Therefore, no matter how good a candidate you are, as a foreign applicant you are up against it to gain admission to a British medical school. Also, in my experience most foreign medical students come from countries with education systems more similar to the the UK eg India, Hong Kong, Singapore. It is very difficult for a US student to demonstrate they have reached the required level in maths in particular, as US high school is not as specialised as UK A-levels.</p>

<p>Most UK medical students have done lots of relevant work experience. I expect it will be very hard to gain admission without this. </p>

<p>If you search these boards I am sure you will find a couple of years ago a US student posted here who was admitted to Oxford for Medicine. I wish I could remember their name. So it’s clearly not impossible but very difficult. </p>

<p>I only recommend the UK for people who are sure of the subject they wish to study. As you probably know, you have to choose the subject you wish to study on application, and it is very difficult to change (usually you would have to drop out and start again). It is lightly easier in Scotland, but still in no way as flexible as the US.</p>

<p>For the student who is considering applying for medicine and engineering in the UK in the same year, I would very strongly advise against it. Look at the UCAS form ([UCAS</a> - Home](<a href=“http://www.ucas.com%5DUCAS”>http://www.ucas.com)). You have to write a personal statement of about 30 lines. This should be along the lines of “I want to study subject X because”. There is really know way to write about both medicine and engineering, and if you do you will almost certainly be rejected by all choices. If you cannot decide between such diverse subjects, then the UK is just not for you and I am sure you would be happier at a US school. </p>

<p>Even if you are admitted and graduate, you cannot then go and practice medicine in the US with a UK MD. There is a whole series of tests which you have to take (and pay for) before you will be allowed to work as a doctor in the US (though for nearly every other country in the world including Canada, this is not the case and your degree would be accepted straight away). I personally do not know the details of these tests, but they have been discussed on this board before. You need to do research into this before committing to UK medical school, as this could prove to be a very expensive and time consuming barrier to cross at the end of your studies.</p>

<p>You can only apply to one Oxford or Cambridge for undergraduate in the same year. You cannot apply to multiple courses at one of them either (though you can for all other UK unis as far as I know). The only exception is organ scholars. If you can’t play the organ, forget it. This rule does not apply for graduate study or a second undergraduate degree.</p>

<p>Thank you 082349 and Cupcake. Appreciate the very detailed answers and the research provided. </p>

<p>Cupcake - Yes it is true you can’t practice in US with a degree from anywhere else. You do have to take several board exams, then do a minimum of three years of residency before you are allowed to practice (there are some cases of specialists from UK getting waivers after they have received advanced degrees in UK that I know but that won’t be the case with just and undergrad). The main reason to go to school in UK is to reduce the time it takes get the medical degree (8 vs 6).</p>

<p>Dionysus - thanks.</p>

<p>It doesn’t really which is ranked higher currently, as both are extremely competitive colleges with very good reputations. You’d be equally well off after having gone to either school. Utimately it is what university suits you better though, and what “feels” more like home.</p>

<p>I picked Cambridge, but wouldn’t be offended by someone who picked Oxford over it.</p>

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<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/study-abroad/806899-what-do-get-accepted-cambridge-university-undergrad-medicine.html?[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/study-abroad/806899-what-do-get-accepted-cambridge-university-undergrad-medicine.html?&lt;/a&gt;
Post #10. The student is Mr Bobo.</p>

<p>Pasting Mr Bobo’s post here so everyone can see easily…

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<p>Thank you for the very detailed post cupcake. And I do agree that competition for internationals applying for medicine is crazy; I’m from one of the countries you mentioned.</p>

<p>I would like to add that for non-UK/EU applicants for Cambridge:
Please get started early!</p>

<p>I just finished my Cambridge COPA and it took a while.</p>

<p>The Sunday Times university rankings put Cambridge in top, followed by Oxford then Durham. However, The only two categories with a real difference between the top two were student satisfaction and employment.
Hope this helps :)</p>

<p>WHY is anyone trying to compare Cambridge and Oxford!? it’s like comparing an Indian mango to a Mexican mango. it’s not too different, and, either way, 100% subjective</p>

<p>082349 - Thanks for the information on getting started early!</p>

<p>How long did it approximately take to complete the COPA?</p>

<p>How did you send the transcripts - through normal post or email?</p>

<p>Have you submitted the UCAS/COPA?</p>

<p>query123: I only came on CC today to answer your question.</p>

<p>It took about 2 hours to complete everything. The section that took me the longest was the one where I had to key in all my courses and what I was taught in them. There are some supplementary essay-ish questions that I think you should answer and you are required to paste your UCAS PS into one of the forms in the COPA.</p>

<p>Transcripts must be mailed. My school did that for me. You must complete both the High School Transcript Coversheet and Reference Coversheet.</p>

<p>I’ve submitted everything for my UK apps. I’m now just waiting for the UCAS Track letter to arrive. Cambridge has replied to me and asked me to complete the SAQ, which I have done. </p>

<p>Which college are you applying to and for what course? Or are you applying open?</p>

<p>I attended a local event for Oxford. Essentially they seem to have a rule that says you can not apply in the same year to both Oxford and Cambridge and they would also like to limit to you to one subject when you apply to one of them.</p>

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<p>For undergraduate admissions, this is true. If you do put down both Oxford and Cambridge, the system will automatically ignore your second choice. Your child is only allowed to put down one course if he/she is applying to Oxbridge.</p>

<p>If you have more questions, I’ll see whether I can answer them.</p>

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<p>There is no “like” about it. YOU HAVE TO SELECT A COURSE WHEN YOU APPLY (as you’ve already been told lots of time above). This is the same for all UK schools, though outside of Oxbridge you could use up more of your UCAS choices to apply to different courses at the same school. Sometimes a course covers a group of subjects, but they still have to be selected on application. Not sure why you don’t believe this?</p>

<p>^ Not sure we are talking about the same thing. </p>

<p>Oxford wants people to choose no more than one subject.</p>

<p>Edinborough said they will take all 5 subjects (5 choices?) in UCAS although they would worry about your sanity if they are disparate subjects.</p>

<p>I have seen a recommendation on UCAS that let you choose more than one subject at the same school either in Cambridge or Oxford which seem to be one course followed by another as a follow up.</p>

<p>Here’s some info from the Oxford website for everyone.</p>

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Could you post a link to that? I’m quite curious to know about it because my high school has never mentioned such a possibility.</p>

<p>082349 - I get this message for Cambridge when I add a second course.</p>

<p>You cannot currently apply for more than one course at Cambridge. This is only possible if the courses are A100 and A101 and you have a suitable degree or will have been awarded a suitable degree by 30 September 2012.</p>

<p>When I changed them to A100 and A101, the message went away (Medicine (A100), Cambridge Graduate Course in Medicine (A101)).</p>

<p>I’d say that Oxford is more traditionalist and conservative, whereas Cambridge is more progressive. Oxford also tends to lean towards literature, the classics. the humanities, and social subjects, too, whereas Cambridge favours the sciences and mathematics. </p>

<p>I’d add that “Oxford are the best academics in Europe whereas those pesky tabs have an ugly campus and keep losing University Challenge”, but that’s a personal issue, my family having been Oxford men, haha.</p>

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Okay, thanks. That’s the only one where you can apply for two courses, as they say. I guess my school didn’t tell me that because A101 is only for UK and EU students and I live in Asia.</p>