Parents, anybody out there an engineer or know an engineer?

<p>OK, I am officially addicted to these boards. I'll admit that. However, I wanted to ask some questions to some adults who are or know engineers, or biologists for that matter, especially those who are professional engineers, since it is my aspiration to be a professional engineer. I came here because no one is answering my post about this on the students message boards and eng-tips.com is for professionals only. No student posting allowed. (I tried.)</p>

<p>1.) My first question regards biology. Is it really necessary to get a masters degree in order to get a job in the field? I am considering a masters in biology at this point after I finish engineering school. I of course, will have my BS in biology, by this time. I plan to specialize in aquaculture with a little genetics on the side, but want to gain a broad view so that I can have different opportunities in the field in the future. I want to get some opinions before I decide on graduate school (I'd start in January 2007 if I do decide to go, maybe part-time.)</p>

<p>2.) My other goal is to be a professional engineer. I want to know if anyone out there knows an engineer in either electrical or civil engineering. If so, are there any real benefits to professional licensure in either of these fields? I know there are a few benefits for civil engineers, but what about for electrical?</p>

<p>3.) What kinds of small businesses have you seen out there for electrical or civil engineers, and for biologists? I know aquaculture and private consulting, but I was hoping someone could suggest something.</p>

<p>I would ask this on eng-tips.com, but there's no student posting, and I really want to ask someone who might have some experience, not students who haven't fully graduated yet. I'd appreciate any feedback. Thank you.</p>

<p>H is an electrical engineer. He has the BSEE and got the MSEE while working at his first job. He has no license and I don't know of any whom he has worked with who have any kind of license. He, personally, has worked in the field of intelligence (as in "spying", not as in artificial intelligence). There are government agencies (NSA, CIA, other parts of the Defense Dept) where this is relevant - I don't know a lot of specifics because the work is classified. But it involves designing the electronics to intercept information, intercept signals, jam signals, communicate information and signals. There are technology firms and defense firms in various areas of the country working in this field. This is just one aspect of EE, but to give you an idea.</p>

<p>A friend is a civil engineer, is one of two lead partners in the primary civil engineering firm in this area. I have the impression that license is important (required?) in that field, but I don't really know.</p>

<p>Being a PE is primarily for civil engineers. Three of my college roommates were CE's and they all took the PE exam. In private industry you won't find too many electrical engineers that bother with taking the test.</p>

<p>in general if your employer does business with governmentl agencies (roads, bridges), or deal with regulatory agencies like OSHA or EPA a PE license may be useful. One of the requirement of PE is that you keep up to date by taking x hours of training. One of the obligation of a PE is that they will not approve any project that may harm the public.</p>

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<p>Husband is an electrical engineer. He has his BSEE and is a licensed professional engineer. He does a lot of supervisory work and design, and he MUST have this as a condition of his employment. We know a few electrical engineers who do not have the PE....they really can't move "up" on the career ladder. A PE is a very marketable thing for an engineer to have. If you plan to be an engineer, plan to get your PE.</p>

<p>Bioeng--all good questions....let me give you my background so you know my perspective....I'm a leader at an environmental engineering & science consulting firm with many engineers, biologists (including fisheries biologists), chemists, geologists, constructors & more. Like you, I had an interest in the sciences as well as engineering (& business)....I have undergrad in geology from an LAC & MSE in "Management of Technology"....part engineering oriented, part MBA.</p>

<p>First, is it necessary to get a masters in bio to practice bio?.....well of course it depends on the job, but in my experience, biology, and perhaps chemistry, have the highest academic training expectations of any of the fields I work with. Most biologists that want to advance in their technical area get a masters at least, and PhDs are a common goal. Thats more or less the expectation within and outside my industry. Doesn't mean you couldn't do well without one, & I know plenty of biologists who have been successful in their consulting careers without advanced degrees......but I know more with masters or PhDs.....you get the picture. Engineering and geology are not the same way....except if one gets into a more specialized technical area.</p>

<p>Second, benefits of prof licensure, or getting a PE? In my world, if you want to practice engineering, you must get a PE, period. I work with folks who have engineering degrees that don't practice hard core design engineering, and thats fine. But if you want to be the primary author of designs & specs, you must seal them with your PE stamp. One can't lead such an effort if they are not properly credentialed, and other engineers may be reluctant to follow. Therefore the management path may limit a non-PE'd engineer. Plus, the PE is an imporatnt credential to our clients, so if an engineer does not have a PE, thats a ding in the marketing area. This is most important for Civil eng's, who design facilities & infrastructure that may have public "civil" safety concerns. This also applies to electricals that are doing design work. Chem E's need them less, as many Chem E's work in the plant and are not signing & sealing official documents & plans. Do yourself a favor & no matter what, take the fundamentals exam in the spring of your senior year as an engineering undergrad, even if you think you won't need a PE (you'll sit for the PE after 4 or 5 years of experience, but you need to pass the more theoretical fundamentals exam first). The know-how needed to pass the fundamentals test is very quickly lost after you leave school. Also, even if you don't think you'll need the PE in whatever field you are targeting, get your PE anyway. Guaranteed you'll contemplate more than once in your working career a change in field, and having a PE gives you much more flexibility.</p>

<p>Last question, not sure what to say about small business opportunties....plenty in all shapes and sizes. Can you be more specific? </p>

<p>By the way, you are my dream hire.......someone with a undergrad/grad mix of 2 out of these 3: science, engineering, business (latter must be graduate). Its more usual to see science undergrad followed by engineering grad degree, but that route is tougher in the grad years due to making up engineering core requirements before getting into the meat of the masters program.</p>

<p>Concluding, my advice is:
1. get your masters
2. get your PE
3. stick with your eclectic plan, as it will pay off in the long run and be attractive to some employers, and provide you with plenty of potential for a variety of experiences.</p>

<p>Feel free to ask more questions.....I actually tour local college engineering programs with a professional society on these issues, so your interest is near & dear.......PC</p>

<p>Have you considered going to Law School? My husband went to Law School at night while he was an electrical engineer. He is now a patent attorney with his own practice. Someone with a broad knowledge in chemical, biological, electrical, and mechanical fields would do well. He has his own buisness, does very well financially, and does very interesting work.</p>

<p>SBMOMOF3,
Could you elaborate a little more about how a patent attorney maintains his own practice? What kind of work would this include? What kind of jobs are available outside of government patent offices?
Thanks!</p>

<p>Thanks for all of the advice, especially Papa Chicken. It's nice to know that I am following a path that feels right for me. I am considering an option that allows me to concurrently finish the last few credit hours of my civil engineering degree (all I have is two classes plus senior design) over two semesters (need two semesters to finish senior design) while also starting some graduate level work in biological sciences (biology) specializing in aquaculture and genetics with some more upper level general biology from botany, physiology, and microbiology thrown in to enhance my opportunities. Would anyone know if in general, they have heard of someone concurretly getting a BS and an MS at the same time if they have a BS in the field they want to get an MS in? My research supervisor said that there could be a way to make this happen, but could it happen?</p>

<p>Is it also good to follow a broad approach in your studies if you are going to take the PE for a particular field? For example, I am going to take the Electrical and Computer Engineering PE exam with emphasis in computers. I am taking controls and I have taken power systems. My focus here is computer engineering. If I finish up the computer engineering classes while taking electives in other areas on the general exam, will this help me when I am a PE in practice?</p>

<p>Thank you for your comments.</p>

<p>I continue to be leery about the value of PE in such fields as computer engineering. I am in that field and have never heard it even discussed as a "nice to have" much less a necessity. I suggest you go to one of the on-line job sites and do a search for the type of job that you think you might want to do and then look at the certifications that they are looking for. If you find some with PE, please report back, because it would be news to me.</p>

<p>lkf725-
After law school my husband worked in a big law firm in N.Y. city for a few years, then he worked in a large company as an in-house patent attorney for a few years. When he started his own law practice he had many contacts. A few of these contacts were large law firms that he wrote patents and opinions for because they could not do this work for a reasonable rate (the firms had such a high overhead). He now has many clients who are happy with his personal attention and expertise at reasonable rates. He writes and prosecutes patents, writes and reviews licensing agreements, writes opinions on patentability and infringement, gives advice on buisness and legal matters, etc. He does not do law suits. Everything is done over the internet and he doesn't even have a secretary!</p>

<p>My husband has a mechanical engineering degree and is a Professional Engineer. I think it helped him when he was looking for a job. Just an extra little something to put on the resume. BTW, I did see your other thread about tau beta phi membership. He did join that when he was in college but except for being solicited for a contribution as an adult, I don't think it's changed his life.</p>

<p>The value of the PE depends on the specific practice area you wind up in. Most firms that are involved with building big things for the public require a PE to sign off on all engineering designs; hence a PE is valuable for advancement in these places. Other areas of practice do not, by custom or rule, care about the PE at all. Since you don't really know at this point where your career will take you it's best to sit for the initial exam while you're in school IMO.</p>

<p>Computer engineers may well not care about the PE at all in most areas of their practice. But maybe you'll wind up designing computer-based control systems for a power plant design company. And guess what, in those companies PEs have to sign off on documents, and virtually all managers have their PE. That's just one example.</p>

<p>I think that I probably will go ahead and get my PE in both ECE and civil, because in the region I plan to practice engineering in, a lot of engineering that is done is for government bodies. My parent's company does a LOT of big projects, especially state government projects such as bridges and road work. For example, they were the prime contractor for the road that goes to what is considered one of the largest employers of electrical and mechanical engineers in our region (it's a car parts manufacturing plant). And my parent's company (I should say family's) is now the prime contractor on one and a subcontractor on another job, both that involve electrical work that uses microprocessors, which involves both programming and actual electrical engineering. That's why I'm taking computer engineering with some EE electives in power and controls, to include both EE and CS. And who knows what kind of other business I will start someday that relates to computers. </p>

<p>I am also interested in drafting automation in C++ and AutoLISP for AutoCAD and other software packages, and guess what, that includes drawing for different public works. Who knows, maybe I could sell the software I write, or supervise the writing of in my own AutoCAD company.</p>

<p>Since I want to own my own firm, or expand my parent's firm to include engineering, getting a PE in both ECE and civil could be for me since I will probably end up doing a lot of public work, as some here have said.</p>

<p>I still am confused about whether I should go to graduate school in biology. On one hand, I could go start to get experience in engineering and get my PE sooner. On the other hand, I could enhance my aquaculture interests and anything else biology related with the biology MS. I am still considering the concurrent BS/MS option. I'd still like to hear some opinions on getting the biology MS versus going ahead with my career.</p>

<p>Thank you for reading and I appreciate your comments. Keep them coming.</p>

<p>My brother is an environmental engineer and consults nationwide on water safety and guarding water supplies against terrorists. He also has done air studies and airborne bacteriology work for the city of LA. He has his BS/MS in civil engineering, has his PE and did some undergrad work in biology. He said the most valuable part of his school work was his co-op at a water treatment plant. He has always felt going on the job and getting the experience was most important, first as a co-op, then while working on his MS on his first job.</p>

<p>My husband (the EE with the BSEE and PE) also did coop as part of his degree program. He says it was fabulous experience. It definitely made him more marketable as a graduate. DH says if he ever gets a Masters it will be in business.</p>

<p>Bioeng......you've got an itch & now's the time to scratch.</p>

<p>Seems like you will have plenty of future opportunity to get into the engineering career. Will the same opportunites be there in a couple of years? Probably. And the biology/aquaculture thing is YOUR thing, so check it out! A couple of years now may seem like a big deal, but when you get older it will not. And now's the time to explore what your heart desires. Life can get too complicated later on to entertain big possibilities like this. You may never go down that bio career path, but it will be worth your time to pursue an area of true passion. "Not pursuing an education in an area I had interest" is definitely on the Top 10 lifetime regrets list for many adults. Trust your gut.</p>