<p>Yes about HYPS recruitment for a bit lower than 2100 SAT, but with a 5.0 weighted GPA.</p>
<p>hmmm…that’s what I was afraid of. One hears stories of lesser scores, but I am questioning whether they are true, and/or the athlete was so accomplished that that made the difference.</p>
<p>Hi All</p>
<p>We just got back from a looong road trip.
Fishing in the right pond. K2s SATs were a decent start for most of the schools. As a first one out of the box, its helpful. Will retake it.</p>
<p>Had good reception from coaches which was also nice. Busy trip…and there is a lot K2 needs to accomplish in the coming months to make the apps season successful.</p>
<p>Rowmom – my recruited kid at a HYP knows many with SAT in the 2000-2100 range who had very good but not perfect grades. No one’s pulled out actual transcripts, but from their discussions it’s my D’s impression that her 2270 770 720 was among tops of scores and 3.5 gpa was among the lowest. I think there are so many “depends” for each recruit — the school, the sport, the recruit, the grades, the scores, the rigor of the HS. Better grades and scores are definitely better, but I wouldn’t advise your kid to give up hope/dreams just because of a 2040. I don’t think that’s a deal breaker all by itself.</p>
<p>that’s good news fogfog.
How many schools did you visit? Was your daughter gathering info on her list in potentials or trying to whittle down her list of possibilities? I am envious of your experience at this. Hopefully I will be more confident when my D comes around (class of 2015).
Do most kids do their first unofficial visits before the junior summer? It kind of feels like we are behind, but our team has double days (5 hours practice daily) 6 days a week during both Presidents Week and Spring Break. There is really no time to make a long trip.</p>
<p>S1 is a rising senior football player. Went to several NESCAC, Patriot and Ivies over Spring break. Not sure if football is unique in this respect, but was surprised at the GPA and test scores that the coaches are looking for in order to persuade admissions to admit their recruited players. Definitely lower than the published median scores. His scores and grades put him high band 3 on the Ivy Index. Good, but without football, I bet some of the HYP schools would be a severe stretch.</p>
<p>Saw this on another thread, thought some might enjoy it.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Publication%20Files/13-067_99c551d6-c484-4245-9e49-964d2283cd98.pdf[/url]”>http://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Publication%20Files/13-067_99c551d6-c484-4245-9e49-964d2283cd98.pdf</a></p>
<p>I think GPA/scores are likely sport dependant…
helmet vs non helmet sports
women vs men
d1,d2,d3
ivy
etc</p>
<p>On our recent trip all coaches told K2 that the GPA and scores must be in the same range as the regular admits. Waaaay to early to see where K2 stacks up
When we have SATs/ACTs and transcripts are in hand on/about July1…we’ll know more.</p>
<p>For HYP when K1 was recruited…all coaches and recruiting packages received gave us a gpa/scores etc and they were in range of published stats. K1 had the total package -GPA, APs, test scores, ECs and sport so we knew it was a matter of how big the recruiting pool was and who choose where to attend…</p>
<p>For K2 its a different journey some are D1 some are D3…</p>
<p>Earlier in the thread, someone mentioned something about coaches asking about study abroad. How would a potential recruit (football) answer this, if he did want to study abroad? I wouldn’t want to burn a bridge by one stupid answer, but I would like to study abroad. I’m a little bit far away from that question, though, so I’ve got some time to think lol.</p>
<p>Nescacgrad88, we were surprised to learn the same thing. One of the 2013 football seniors who was between an Ivy and another top school had a 4.0 gpa, but his SAT was 1850. He is headed to the Ivy this fall. One of the Ivy recruiting letters we have at this moment specifically says minimum SAT of 1700 and top 20% of the class. My ds has 1900s and we’ve been told it’s fine. I think football is a different animal.</p>
<p>I had a recruiting coordinator for a non-helmet sport (guess which one) at a non-HYP Ivy that “over 1800 on SAT, 28 ACT, 3.6 GPA taking most rigorous courses offered by school would be good enough”. While my son easily meets these requirments, the trick now is to be one of the 7 or so that they want well enough to offer a Likely Letter.</p>
<p>ChicagoMama, another interesting anecdote: S1 (football player) received a “form letter” recruiting email from Lehigh. Email stated that in order to be eligible to be recruited academically, you need a 3.3 and a 1000 SAT (math + verbal). This is well below the quoted numbers for that school. Fascinating, to say the least.</p>
<p>The football story is astonishing. BTW just asking, have been looking and seems like there was a lot of fallout a few years ago with the president at Yale with athletic recruiting. I know that president has now since resigned, however, did I read correctly that for a year or two Yale did little to no recruiting? Is that possible? This has been a crazy month at our HS for the starters who are rising seniors and Yale did visit our school and asked to meet our son, although we did not submit a questionnaire. We have submitted the questionnaire since.</p>
<p>Also, just to add to the thread, I think our son has been pulled from class about a dozen times for a variety of schools. Five ivies have visited that we know of, 4 asked to meet our son, 1 did not. He’s met about 4 NESCACS, one service academy and three other schools. I may or may not be off by one. Sometimes I lose track whether it’s been a phone call in response to a questionnaire or an actual coach visit. All I know is that while in March it was like pulling teeth to get him into school some days, now he’s up with the first crow wondering who might be visiting. Happy May !!</p>
<p>Keep in mind this is an absolute minimum and probably reflects generally the Patriot League’s absolute low band minimum AI score. So it is not like this is the standard for every football recruit, or even more than a few per school per year. The football recruiting letters for Harvard use an 1800 number for the SAT, but again there will only be a few of those, at most, per year. It is a lot easier to get recruitedin the Patriot or Ivy Leagues if you are a high AI band kid.</p>
<p>It feels like the next several months will be very intense. Even the kids on the team are much more close-lipped as they are competing with one another, and they know it. One coach even mentioned a teammate (in passing as they are also in contact) to my kid and asked how they got along. (Fortunately the whole team is really cohesive.) </p>
<p>Coach communication has definitely picked up even as their end of season competition is coming to a head. Some of it is very positive - head coaches now in the conversation; it’s feeling more personal in some cases - and then silence. My kid feels like anything is possible from a top school pick to nothing at all depending on how the cards fall - depending on how the subject tests come out - depending on how final time trials come out - depending on how the rest of the recruiting class performs. Should it still feel so ‘up in the air’? I thought it would be much more clear, by now.</p>
<p>And I am becoming more stressed - insisting that every last second be used to prepare to subject 2s - kid is exhausted practicing for Nationals in the morning before school and after - everyday over Memorial Day weekend. No breaks. It is a grind right now.</p>
<p>Is anyone’s else’s situation the same - or is ours less clear because it is less promising?</p>
<p>Rowmom
You need to relax. You and your S can only do your best and you all are doing that. You can’t control what all other people do so focus on only what you can contribute to in the whole process and forget about other things. Also there are always alternatives if things don’t turn out the way you envisioned. Your anxiety level will affect your S’s outlook of the whole process so really try to enjoy the journey. I am not saying that there won’t be stress, but I decided a few months ago that I want to make the recruitment process a means of creating memories with my S before he leaves the nest so I try to look at the bigger picture when things start to stress me. Amazingly, after I thought about what I really want to accomplish through this process, I started seeing many things differently. Plan B might not be plan A but it might end up better than Plan A.</p>
<p>And I do understand the grind. S has been practicing 4-5 hours a day while taking an insane amount of IB/AP/final exams. My point is to focus on getting the milk and cookies ready when they drag their feet back to the house at night and ask what you can do to help instead of worrying :)</p>
<p>Good Advice 5am, and the question - What do we want o accomplish out of this process? - interesting. Regardless of what happens I know kid will have good options and get an excellent education. So this is an adventure of sorts. </p>
<p>To my son I am more relaxed - sometimes. It is internally that never turns off. And I do think that Plan B could be better than Plan A. I keep telling kid - be careful what you wish for - it could happen and are you sure that’s really what you want?</p>
<p>It’s my Type A controlling personality that does not like all the uncertainty.</p>
<p>I want to echo 5am’s advice. my kids are swimmers and my son in particular also rows (yes! 4+ hours of working out per day! insanity!) so I know something about these sports…so exhausting, and most of the other kids are fantastic students. My d is a senior, s is a sophomore. D was very frustrating to me…I am very different from her. I am much more type A and controlling, and I personally was focused on trying to help her get the best “deal” by leveraging her athletic talent. But she isn’t that way at all and it drove me crazy to watch her casually decide not to study for SATs, for example. She was looking for the coach and the school who would prize her for who she was–she was determined to not morph into some kind of test-taking robot for the sake of “scoring” a great college. I humbly admit to the world that I was wrong and she was right. I think I gave her good guidelines and I still don’t think I was “wrong,” but SHE was right for HER and I think I would have been a happier mom over the past couple of years if I had stepped back a little.</p>
<p>Just a little, though! :)</p>