Parents of the HS Class of 2017 - 3.0 to 3.4 GPA

I hadn’t even thought about orientations. Time to add a note to my “further research” google doc. I would not be happy with a required spring event. D hates to miss classes and she’ll be taking two tough AP’s and probably a tough DE. I don’t know why colleges would want to interfere with that. We’re lucky with a May 20 graduation date and the fact that she doesn’t have any big commitments over the summer. (Well, she will have to stick around a weekend to be maid of honor for her big sis!) I guess I should ask what her summer plans are. Yeah, bad Mom!

It looks like Gonzaga may be higher up on the “in play” list than I thought. It oozed into the higher glob so to speak. D is pretty money aware and I expected Gonzaga to fade into the mist with UVM. But we had a nice discussion and she REALLY likes them. It’s interesting that she’s an atheist yet feels like she fits the best with the philosophy of a Jesuit school. We both loved the visit, so I understand. Originally she wasn’t going to apply to honors, since she’s seen that mainly as a way of making a big school seem smaller. But after looking at the video about Gonzaga honors, she’s decided to apply. The $1,000/year scholarship wouldn’t hurt.

It is funny thinking about the name of the “3.0-3.4” title each year. It seems like once people read and jump in, it doesn’t seem so exclusionary. “No, you can’t join our friendly mid-level clique, you 3.6 poser!” It seems to encompass people with a less competitive bent and non-superstar students who are looking at mid-tier colleges. (Are these mid-tier? I don’t even know if that’s a classification!) Next year they could really confuse people and call it “Thinking About UVM or Goucher? Come drink tea with us!”

On that note, time for bed.

^well, the Jesuits have historically been the rebel intellectuals of the Catholic Church, so it makes sense to me that an atheist could find a connection there.

@snoozn , you’re spot on about the group name and spirit. I both admire and get exasperated about TacoSon’s lack of competitiveness. He will do well going through life not caring what others think, but it does tend to make him coast along instead of have the drive to excel.

@CoyoteMom , I know of at least one family whose kid’s orientation fell smack dab in the family’s long-planned beach week last summer. I’d love to plan a little graduation trip for TacoSon (he and I are Disney fans so I’ve been wanting to grab cheap flights for a CA weekend) but know I need to keep things loose. How does CoyoteSon feel about W&M overall? As a history buff I’m sure he feels more connected than TacoSon, who gamely applied to shut me up. I keep telling him that it’s similar in spirit to UMW (when I’m sure everyone else on earth is telling their kids the opposite). I consider it a reach but I also think he stands a pretty good chance, largely due to the male factor.

I’ve been keeping the summer completely open until D decides on a school and we can actually see a schedule. The schools are so different with their timelines! I can’t believe any would have orientations in the spring though! not fair to take kids out of their current classes - too much stress for them!

I haven’t seen any orientations in the spring, but definitely in June. D17 already has two trips planned, one mid/late June and one late June into mid-July, which will have tickets paid for soon and won’t be moveable. Really like the “get there a few days early” orientations better, especially since it seems kinda unfair if they have several earlier ones and the kids who can go to those get to register first.

I think we have a nice variety of kids (ok really, their parents!) on this thread. I like the friendly mid level clique tag @snoozn lol. I often think of this thread as the hidden gem colleges (and not so hidden ones) for the normal kid. The truly average. Not the CC “average excellent who has ivy dreams but ho real hook” but normal kids. Kids that might do well in one area, but not at others. Maybe they have class rigor but B grades. Maybe they have A grades but no rigor. Maybe they test well but don’t turn in homework. Maybe they are miserable test takers but do ok otherwise. Lots of EC’s or no EC’s. Generally pretty happy well rounded and adjusted kids who are busy enjoying their HS experience for the most part and aren’t caught up in the college race (or the HS race for that matter). They aren’t “grinders” but you know what, I think they have something many grinders do not. They know how to bounce back and keep moving forward. They don’t let disappointments or set backs hold them up. They have all experienced failure or struggle of some sort and have moved on (or are trying to). Numbers are just that and it’s difficult to classify a group of kids or a collection of colleges that speak to all. You can get ridiculous…we could have an ACT or a SAT cutoff number versus a GPA or any other number of factors and at a certain point it’s simply silly. It’s about a general type of student (and parent!) and colleges that suit them. I know this group has been a tremendous resource for me and I thank everyone for participating…whether your student technically fits in the gpa title or not.

As for orientations I think most assume everyone is out in May. Which is not at all true for west coasters but I do understand the east coast colleges not seeing that group as their focus audience. UVM’s dates are a nightmare for us. For his college he has the following:

Session 1: June 3 - 4 (Saturday/Sunday)
Final Marching Band Trip. Which I suppose I could pull him out of but UGH!. I’ve only made one payment so would eat that.

Session 3: 15 - 16 (Thursday/Friday)
Graduation. Enough said.

Session 5: June 22 - 23 (Thursday/Friday)
Could do if we had to. He has a camp that starts that Sunday. UGH!!!

What I really hate is that signups start 3/6. We will finish touring 3/4 and likely not have all the financial packages by then. I don’t think he can register for an orientation without an enrollment deposit and don’t expect to be solid on the final choice till middle or end of the month or even later and given its his most expensive option…if we go that route it has to be really really solid. Guess I will need to dig into that.

Ursinus in May will not happen. It is not required. They haven’t posted the actual date yet and I can’t imagine them doing it before AP testing is over but still. May. No. Ursinus did get back to me, we will see the FA “sometime” in January. Which ugh, doesn’t help with any planning now. I can make car and hotel reservations I guess for 2 scenarios but it really doesn’t let me book a flight at a decent rate.

Allegheny got back to S and wants him to come the next week so he can do an overnight and nope…that is not happening. They did say they will try to arrange something “special” for him if he can’t move it though. Of course now i have to make him actually communicate with the school directly. HA! He is missing a week of school as it is which is a LOT. It is only ok as it is early in the semester for us (halfway through the quarter) and frankly more flights and less driving will help him stay on top of work while he is out.

@CoyoteMom that’s pretty funny. For where we live I can almost guarantee that W&M has as little recognition as the others. Actually Beloit probably has the most of the ones you listed. I think Juniata is as hard to say as Ursinus…both are very easy to pronounce entirely wrong. Great financial save on the no DL. It’s interesting. Renting a car from Burlington to Baltimore was a deal. From Erie to Baltimore, not so much. I really want to fly from Erie (or Cleveland or Pittsburgh I suppose) to either Philly or Baltimore depending on how this shakes out as the car rental prices kind of negate the extra cost of that flight leg and would improve my sanity. It would really help if we heard from Goucher soon and it was a good $$ offer. If that happened I think we could just cut Ursinus and focus on the 3 for the road trip which would make for better quality visits.

Love it. Exactly. I think any of our kids would have done well at the Jesuit schools. I spent much of my childhood running around a Jesuit campus that my father taught at and had zero clue it was affiliated with the church at all. Granted that is from a child’s perspective but the ones around here have a pretty minimal feel and are very open to all and make a point of saying so. It is interesting though as I’d always thought U of Portland was Jesuit and it is not (Catholic, affiliated with Notre Dame) so that one explained why it wasn’t quite as generous with merit as the other local Jesuit options. LOL! @snoozn I am glad it is still on her list (or in the upper glob), it is a wonderful school.

We have 2.5 out of 4 that fall into this bucket. It can be quite aggravating at times. Yes, 2.5, my S19 can have that drive…selectively. LOL!

Summer doesn’t start until 6/20 so anything before that to me is Spring! Especially since school doesn’t end here until 6/23. I agree about it seeming unfair. We have an unmovable trip as well. Right now none of the dates overlap with that amazingly but I vastly prefer the “get there early” approach and registering via another means so that the week before is just tweaks.

Yep, graduation is 6/22 for us and we are on the East Coast. This has always been a problem for a lot of great summer programs throughout high school as well. Many start in late May/early June, makes no sense.

@eandesmom and @tacocat333 I had to laugh at the 2.5 and the not caring what others think. Both of my kids fall into this category and I hate the admit they may take after me in that way. D17 gets very upset if she is running a minute late for work but seems very nonchalant about a grade drop figuring she can “make it up.” S21 is even more stubborn and really doesn’t care what others think to the point that the kid wears two brightly colored opposing socks and high waters with a sweater he just picked off a corner pile on his floor. He can easily pass out of this grade but he chooses to coast (and he is way too immature to do so anyway).

oops, wrong thread, so sorry!

@mackatarinasmom S17 is the same way with work! Which is a very very good quality…and one he didn’t get from me.

@MotherOfDragons lol.

Hi @eandesmom,

I’ll also chime in with thanks for all the work on this thread! I really enjoy hearing about all the acceptances and merit aid pouring in and feel your excitement. I love it, and it gives me a wealth of ideas to squirrel away for the time (3-4) years from now when my daughter will need it. Some might assume that anyone on CC with an 8th grader (turned 14 on 01/01! Woo Hoo!) will be pushing hard, but nothing could be further from the truth. She’s fine, grade-wise, but no matter if she’s a 4.0 in high school (doubt it) her personality puts her squarely in this thread: a kid who wants to do well, but needs her down and friend time and puttering time and, gosh, wants to be…A KID :slight_smile: My husband would be part of this thread, too: He happened to have a knack for math/science and graduated from a STEM school that people hyperventilate about on CC, but for him it was a rather miserable experience and feels his social education at a more “balanced” school would have served his needs better.

Yes, I find the Jesuits fascinating and admirable and I’m not Catholic, or religious in the traditional sense. I don’t think I would hesitate to send my daughter to a Jesuit school, if it were otherwise a great fit.

I lived in a formerly Jesuit village in Paraguay (Peace Corps). The Jesuits evidently liked hiding away from the power of Rome in this most remote area in the 1500s, doing things their own way, while Cortez et al. were pillaging and plundering. The Jesuits were a bit more “live and let live” and didn’t force conversions or the Spanish language, unlike the priests who followed the conquistadores. And that is why Paraguay is unique in all of South America , with Guarani an official language along with Spanish, and the the common patois a jolly mix of the two (spoken all the way up to the ministry levels) …and village Catholicism is mixed unabashedly with folk religious practices. ( That’s not to say all is well in Paraguay but THAT is another story :wink:

I digress…back to the regularly scheduled programming… 8-| Good luck, everyone!

I’m a 2015 parent, so I don’t really belong here, but I just wanted to share a few data points regarding merit aid that I collected over the last 2 years from kids in this stats range. While the colleges often send merit upon acceptance, some that appeal to this group will “up the offer” in the spring. This happened to a kid we know who had already accepted WSU (Washington State) on the WUE, and also one I know who was considering Gonzaga. With the first one, my friend was surprised that they would throw money at a kid they already knew they “had” and with the 2nd one the extra $$$ put the college into first place. Both kids were good students in the B-range without really high test scores or rigor, but they were clearly valued by these schools and they are happy where they landed. Good luck all! :slight_smile:

@inthegarden Do you know anything about Benedictine Catholics. I have relatives that go to a Benedictine school and love it and they aren’t at all religious.

As I said before I’d have no trouble sending my kids to a Jesuit Catholic University. But I wouldn’t even look at the Lutheran Universities. We also looked at a few Quaker schools.

@eandesmom, as usual, you have summed up my thoughts regarding this group of parents and kids perfectly. What you said.

I haven’t even looked at the orientation information yet–you guys are all way ahead of me!

Talked with the GC this morning, and she thought the American U. issue was a situation where it made sense for the parent to call admissions, so I’m off to do that in about 10 minutes (no privacy around here at work, have to book a phone room!). Wish me luck!

What about the Franciscans? Are they heavy-handed? Isn’t that what the current pope is? D17 was accepted at Siena, which, if I’m not mistaken, is Franciscan–she got pretty decent merit there (but I don’t think it’s under serious consideration).

The current pope is a Jesuit. Don’t convince yourselves that Jesuits are just ‘sort of’ catholics. Very accepting, very willing to listen to your views and respect them, but in the end they are catholic schools and the rules apply. There will be prayers at the school, masses before graduations, religious people around the campus. There are crosses on the walls, spring break will be scheduled around Easter (or there will be two breaks).

Franciscans and Benedictines will be more religious on campus. Franciscan University in Stubensville Ohio is swarming with Religious, especially in the summer when many nuns and priests take graduate classes.

On any of the campuses, it is up to the student how involved he/she wants to be. The religious aspect can be ignored, it cannot be avoided and definitely cannot be changed. Many of the schools, including the Jesuit schools, have public service obligations. These can be minor and very non-religious, or they can be a religious mission.

@klinska How did it go???

Got voicemail, lol. Will be keeping my cheat sheet close by at all times!

@klinska damn!

For the UVM folks. I spoke to their FA office today as I was curious about the early FAFSA filing scholarship. They said it’s brand new so they aren’t positive but they think that 1) it is a limited amount that will be offered and 2) it will go to instate kids.

Of course neither of those things were mentioned on the website so that is irritating but it is what it is I guess and not entirely surprising.

And neither is the fact that S’s email still seems to be bouncing …but only at UVM. Super annoying.