Parents of the HS Class of 2017 (Part 1)

@STEM2017, unfortunately, given the way of the world, there’s also a difference in rating safety depending on whether your child is a son or a daughter.

My male self lived in a mildly sketchy part of West Philadelphia when I was in grad school. I wasn’t worried about where I lived, as long as I took reasonable safety precautions (don’t get drunk, be aware of who’s around me, and so on). I was also incredibly aware of the fact that if I were female, there’s no way I’d have felt remotely as secure living where I lived.

@socalmom007

just a heads up that stevens is a profile school, which might put an unhelpful parent right over the edge . =))

[size=1] this. exactly. those that do it well are different than those that dont. that was my deal breaker.

@dolomite Hey, dude. Remember the old Las Vegas tourism campaign slogan?

@MotherOfDragons Can it combine themes of loss (empty nest) with hope for the future (first flight)? Or, would that be even sappier?

@JenJenJenJen Do you have any cool USC contacts in the physics department?

@Ynotgo I’m getting a strange reputation on this board.

I didn’t know Maya/Maja (I don’t even remember her last name or how to spell her first), she was simply the only robotics professor I found at USC (and UCLA) who I emailed, who emailed me back. She was absolutely great though, she gave my 7 year old daughter around 45 minutes of her time despite an active robotics lab to monitor. It was a wonderful experience for my D19, although of course, a week later she wanted to be an architect.

PS @Ynotgo I low key LOVE your avatar.

Thanks @lbf & @MotherOfDragons re USC! I hope when he visits in March he sees what you describe. His school now has a large variety of students & other that sports stuff he ignores he the range of activities and ECs available. He loves music (orchestra, folk, some rock - no rap though) and interested in other things.I loved the campus visit and the energy there.

@kac425 they already completed the profile, so that shouldn’t be a problem.

As to whether they know the kids are dating and are trying to separate them, I don’t think so or he wouldn’t be allowed out of the house as liberally as he is… but what do I know. I do think they are trying to manipulate him into moving to their new state with the family by saying they can’t pay for his college anymore so he needs to go to CC there. The financial issues could be true, but I do think they want him there with them. The whole thing hurts by heart, they’re alienating their son trying to cling to traditional values he just doesn’t hold. He’s an American, he has no interest in arranged marriage, living at home until he’s 30, etc… I feel for them, I’m sure it’s hard to maintain the traditional values of your home country raising your kids in Southern California very isolated from your culture.

@ socalmom007 you could switch my son for your daughter! Well GF parents object to dating before 18 in general not color of the skin, I think? They have one interracially married child already. It is interesting to me how different cultures deal with the growing up of their children. I have an uncle who is Lebanese, Christian and was very much the same with his daughters. He used to joke they could date after they got married!!! I guess you could substitute many different cultures in there. I hope that BF is able to find a place to go to school, even if it isn’t as close to your daughter as they hoped.

Am I the only parent who has already read the entire handbook for parents on a university website? I spent yesterday afternoon looking at UVA which is ridiculous seeing as we live 30 miles from there and I am in that town twice a week and Dh works there. I still learned plenty!

Good luck to those waiting for UMD decisions, the wait is nerve wracking.

@socalmom007 FWIW I attended both Stevens and Seton Hall in my 12 year tour of colleges, and I lived in Hoboken for a couple of years. It was in the 90s but Hoboken is safe. As a single woman I was comfortable walking around alone, even in the evening. I regularly took the PATH train to lower Manhattan, even late at night (because NYU was also on the tour.) The area that Seton Hall is in isn’t as safe in my opinion, and I don’t know how well you would do there without a car. Seton Hall’s campus is small and nothing special.

As parents we want to protect our kids and be sure they’re safe. Letting go is hard but this focus on a safe campus is very odd to me. Clearly an urban school will have more crime. They are typically in less than desirable areas so to say the Temple campus is worse than NJIT is very somewhat pointless. Crimes have happened on both campuses and will continue to occur because they are urban schools. Although less common, crimes also occur on rural, ivy-covered campuses as well. So while a safe place would be ideal, that does not exist.

So, here’s my story. My D attends Temple and I was very skeptical when we visited at first. However after seeing all the other urban schools she was interested in, I found Temple was the one that acknowledged the fact that crimes happen and proactively worked to address it. The wilding incident aside, Temple security is very effective. And most of the students were not affected by the violent gang of teens that night. The bottom line is no security dept. can prevent all crimes. Temple students learn to use the Flight system (school-based Uber) and call for escorts if they want them. It’s not Beirut by any means so I would advise anyone to see it for themselves, talk to current students, and make their own decision. My mind was changed.

I understand the concerns and you do need to do what you (and more importantly your child) are comfortable with but don’t bash a school or campus that many people have found to be an awesome place to spend four years. It’s not helpful at all.

^^I’m not bashing Temple-it made it onto my D’s initial radar for many excellent reasons. However, we did not feel like it was safe enough for our kids. It’s a personal assessment based on our experiences and knowledge of our kids; not a bash. Some other schools fell off the list because they were too rural for us. Again, not a bash, just an assessment.

I’ve lived on three different continents and dozens of cities, and have had some pretty hairy experiences. I do believe that in some areas there is more opportunity for crimes to occur, and we take that factor into account.

Hey, this thread just cracked 1M views! We’re internet famous!!!

I’ve never been to Philly so I can’t comment on Temple.

I have, however, worked right around the Baylor University campus. I watched a crack deal go down less than .5 miles from the campus. So there’s that…

Excellent point @dfbdfb.

Omgosh! Finally caught up from LAST weekend! Congrats to all with good news, and dang for the redirects :confused:
I’ll try to post QOTDs over this last week soon…hope everyone has a good weekend!

@MotherOfDragons good point. If you send your kid to Franklin and Marshall you might have to worry about Rumspringa.

@Dolemite -I spent my summers in Iowa when I was growing up.

Those Amish kids can hit it HARD. Oh man…that take that “year of running around” VERY seriously!

Since I’m in waiting-for-decisions mode I’ll just throw myself into the cauldron of controversial issues!

Crime
I don’t think anyone should eliminate a school just because a couple of CC’ers labeled it dangerous, but actual crime is certainly a legitimate factor. D briefly looked at U of Alaska Fairbanks after talking to a rep at a college fair. We always check out images and the wikipedia page for college towns (general interest – not specifically for crime). Saw that Fairbanks has the 3rd highest rape rate in the country and almost double the average US violent crime rate. Maybe the university is in a very safe part of town but D and I both said “NOPE!”

And it’s different by kid depending on gender and other factors. My oldest D (almost 24) should never live in an area that requires “street smarts.” She has low self esteem and is a “people pleaser” who hates to even think she might ever make anyone else feel bad. She’s had years of therapy and was raised the same as her more confident siblings, but that’s who she is. Even in our little “bubble” she’s gotten herself into a few potentially dangerous situations due to her need not to offend people even when they are clearly the “bad guy.”

Just as an anecdote (don’t make any decisions based on my one story!), there was one pretty exciting night during my time at GT at H’s frat when we heard a helicopter incredibly close followed by police sirens. Of course everyone stupidly went out to see what was going on. The helicopter was hovering right above the neighboring house and police were jumping out of their cars with guns. I could hear the police ordering someone out of the house (seriously – just like a movie!) A guy came out and was arrested with no further incident. I don’t remember what he was wanted for, but he was not associated with GT and just happened to have run into the frat house running from the cops.

Racism and the south
I have mixed feelings. I’ve lived in a total of four southern cities in four different states. I felt that Atlanta was very progressive for the time period (late 80’s) I was there. I didn’t see or hear much about overt racism. There was also a thriving LGBT community. A few days after my wedding I went to visit a lesbian friend who lived in what might be called a “gay-ish neighborhood.” My truck was still plastered with “Just married!” signage. It also had our names and H has a name that is more often a female name. My friend and I were sitting on the lawn by the truck when a car drove by and someone yelled out the window “Congratulations!” We waved and yelled back “Thank you!”

My small hometown in Tennessee was downright backwards. Rampant racism and a lot of animosity between my (white) town and the neighboring 50/50 black/white town. My HS mascot was the rebel and pep rallies consisted of people running around the gym with giant Confederate flags. No change was made until a complaint was raised in 1999 and a huge fight ensued with students continuing to use Confederate flags “unofficially” until 2008. No way would I want any of my kids to go to college there (and there is a college in the town). Lots of great people there but way too many bad apples.

Not surprisingly homophobia was also a way of life. My Mom was very close to her gay hairdresser and got to know his partner as well. She heard the horror stories of discrimination and nastiness they faced. I’m grateful she raised me to be pro-LGBT rights from a young age. (At the age of 82 and saddled with Alzheimer’s this remained an important issue to her. When she was still able to read the paper she got very angry about an article regarding gay marriage and huffed “Why don’t they just let the gays get married? It makes them happy and doesn’t hurt anyone!” I wish she could have lived to see marriage equality happen in the US)

Okay, I’m already long-winded, so I’ll just say that I lived in two racist/homophobic towns and two progressive towns in the south.

Bi-racial couples
It is sad that bi-racial couples still face high levels of racism today. @MotherOfDragons is correct about the military being more progressive on this issue than people might think. H was in the Army for four years and I’ve never known as many bi-racial couples as I knew then. I’m sure there was some discrimination (there is everywhere), but I never heard about it from couples I knew or in general on Army bases.

My sister’s best friend’s white daughter faced the same disapproval from her black bf’s family that @socalmom007 and others are seeing. They did come around eventually and now the couple are happily married with everyone’s approval. Whether or not marriage is in the cards, I hope these other parents will also begin to judge their kids’ SO’s by the content of their character.

That took awhile – is it March yet?? :-<

Technically, this is about my college kid rather than my D17, but I needed to share.

To recap: D15 had a fabulous, 4.0 first semester of freshman year. Second semester she hit the skids – depression, anxiety, sensory processing diagnoses – and got two D’s, which put her GPA below the 3.25 necessary to keep her scholarship. (I think her GPA was 3.11)

She submitted an appeal and was granted one for Fall 2016. Her semester was better but she struggled with illness for about three weeks, missed a required lab and had to drop the class, and had an ear infection hindered her in her scuba diving class. Over the winter break I’ve been holding my breath, waiting for her grades. School starts Monday, and they still aren’t showing up on her portal.

Yesterday, she got a letter stating that her GPA was still below the limit, and that she has lost her scholarship. She was offered another chance to appeal – by January 25th – but she got the letter on the 26th! She called today and was told she’d have to email the head of the appeals committee to get permission to appeal late. Also, she can’t find anyone who can tell her what her fall semester grades were. I feel it’s an integral part of her appeal (if she gets to appeal) that she know her current GPA and her grades.

It looks like we’ll have to send her back on Sunday without any resolution, and it’s driving me crazy! It’s not like she was dismissed from the university, but having to pay the portion her scholarship had covered ($7500 per semester) almost immediately is very frustrating. We can swing it, and she can apply for loans. Doesn’t help my attitude right now.

@Engineering713 thanks for the info on Maryland it is very helpful! I understand priority decisions come out today
so if he is accepted at least I have some information to give him and we should go visit!
I will look to get more info from @maryversity and @SoofDad I just have to figure out how to do that :slight_smile: