Parents of the HS Class of 2020 (Part 1)

S19 and S20 are required to work full time in the summer and I have found it to be an amazing opportunity for growth. That being said, we did send S19 to an engineering program at UMD last year (maybe $1000?) to help solidify his choice of mechanical engineering. To echo @bigmacbeth there are many lower cost programs at state flagships.

We have an abbreviated summer vacation this year due to calendar changes. S20 will work full time and complete college applications prior to school start in August.

D17 never did any summer programs just worked and sports. D20 will work a lot but is hoping to do 3 to 5 weeks of back country volunteer work with SCA. We are not sure how competitive it is, but she has submitted her app so I will let you know if she gets it.

D20 is considering majoring in engineering and our counselor told us she needs to get some sort of engineering activity on her resume. Apparently some of the college essays ask ‘Why this major?’ and I guess it helps to point to some experience you have with it.

Her high school has one engineering class and she’s heard it’s terrible. But I guess that’s an option.

We have found some local-ish summer programs, but she has already applied to be a counselor at an arts camp, where she attended the last few years. She has a good shot at the arts camp and really wants to do it. Between that and the spring musical, I don’t see how she can fit in another activity.

We have found some online summer courses in engineering at Brown, which do interest her. Do you think that would be enough?

Could she fi d someone to shadow instead? Courses vs careers are quite different. Her essay might be stronger understanding the career vs a course.

Thanks @Mom2aphysicsgeek
How do we find someone to shadow? I don’t really know any engineers.
And then the challenge would be to find time to fit it in.

@momzilla2D - our HS is very much lacking in engineering courses. Just one general course that is not really hardcore “engineering”. I do think if my S19 had applied to schools like Georgia Tech, etc he would be at a disadvantage despite top notch stats. He is waiting to hear from UMD engineering tomorrow so I will let you know if the lack of course work hurt there as well.

He did come back from the UMD camp last year saying he was so far behind other kids from big HS. Those kids have had an engineering track the whole way and already have skills he just does not. Have mentioned to our HS but don’t think our school district will be getting a robotics or coding course anytime soon. I am hoping his grades, test scores and course rigor help schools see his potential. I do feel like he was able to draw from his one week program for the “why engineering” type stuff.

I do think schools see the HS school profile and understand if students have just not had access. Just not sure if It is enough to bridge the gap at truly competitive/elite engineering like Harvey Mudd, GT, etc.

Our flagship’s program is really not that great for my S which is why he went out of state last year. If we could afford it, he wouldn’t do SSP for the chance to get into that college but for purely academic reasons - course selections, caliber of teaching, and location. He currently has about 6 summer apps done or working on. Never know which will come in that is most advantageous - hopefully the paid internship! Then it becomes a timing issue with acceptances and deposits. That happened last year and he had to withdraw from one program after we paid and his first choice decision came in. Luckily we were able to get a full refund.

@mountainmomof3 Your ds does not need to worry about it. Schools do not hold lack of access against students. Engineering curriculums all start at introductory level and do not expect kids to possess the skills prior to attendance. (My dh and oldest ds are both engineers and our current physics grad student started off with a physics/EE double.) Robotics with coding isn’t really representative of engineering as a whole. Programming, in general, otoh, is probably more universally desired skill across engineering fields
 Different programming languages can easily be studied independently outside of a classroom if a student is interested in those skills prior to college.

@momzilla2d What field? She might be able to contact the HR depts at different companies and ask. Some companies may not be able to allow non-employees to enter due to the nature of their products/processes, but many will be able to accommodate non-employees. Another option if you live near a university is to see if there is a chapter of Society of Women Engineers and ask them for contacts. (They also have conferences. Not sure if they are open to high school students or not, but it can’t hurt to ask. https://alltogether.swe.org/2018/06/announcing-our-2019-we-local-conferences-dates/ )

@Cheeringsection, thanks. I think I saw somewhere that soon enough kids would need to sign up for AP’s in the fall instead of February :frowning:

@momzilla2D, how about organizing a robotics class for elementary school kids at a local library (libraries typically have rooms to “rent out” for free)? That would be both engineering and leadership. The only cost to parents would be buying 3-4 kits, like vex robotics (my 7year old loves them, but they are a bit hard for him to do completely on his own). Your daughter and her friends from HS could be leading that once-a-week class, could be a win-win for everyone

What I see kids struggling with in the first year as engineering majors are the core math and physics classes. Taking the most challenging of those in h.s. is likely more useful than a high school level engineering and robotics course. Watching parents in the 17 group worry the kid may not pull a C in Calc 2 or Multivariate or such has been eye opening. AMD these were good solid high school students.

Following up on the discussion about U of SC’s admission requirements. (They require a semester of Economics, but S’s HS does not offer it.) Our HS counselor talked to our regional U of SC rep, and she said any class that our HS considers a social science will meet their Economics requirement. :D/
I don’t know if this is a global policy, or if our counselor had to do some negotiating. Either way, it’s a huge relief for us!

@VickiSoCal That is what my sons (all honors engineering grads) experienced as far as no engineering classes in high school but pretty solid backgrounds in math and physics.

@ShrimpBurrito great news!

@VickiSoCal Absolutely. Strong math and science skills (not just physics, but chemistry, too) can make or break an engineering major. Engineering is like pre-med, only a small percentage make to graduation without changing majors/career goals.

@mountainmomof3 Good luck to your DS on UMd results.

My sister is a campus recruiter for a major defense, aerospace company and she works with a lot of students, primarily in STEM-related fields, across many campuses. Biggest plus she’s seen is internships. Says that some start as early as 16. She’s been pushing all the nieces/nephews to pursue this apparent advantage (with, unfortunately, a modicum of success). I agree with @VickiSoCal about the hs math/science rigor, too.

My older DS graduated from a small private hs w far fewer AP opportunities and class selection or ECs. I heard from parents that some engineering students struggled their freshman year but prevailed. One Chem
E and one Mechanical.

@momzilla2D

As someone with a daughter going into mechanical engineering next fall, here’s been our experience. Yes, they do ask in interviews what you’ve done in the field so far, why you want to do engineering, what you’ll contribute to the field.

Our school, even our town offers zero classes, clubs, or camps for engineering. This has not stopped daughter from being direct admitted into programs or winning merit scholarships.

She has handled it by having thoughtful answers to the last two questions, doing a lot of research online about the specific type of engineering she wants to do, talking to people in the field, and keeping up with publications specific to what she wants to do.

She loves and is good at math. She tutors students in math. She likes designing and planning out projects. She’s interested in the why behind something and how it functions. She has a set career path and goals within mechanical engineering based on her interests. Using all of that, she was more than able to articulate in a meaningful way “why engineering?”, so you definitely don’t have to reference experience. She simply explained she has not had the opportunity to participate in engineering related activities, but would have liked to have done so if that had been an option.

We have also asked a number of schools if there are any community college classes she could take in advance that would help her prepare, and the answer has been math classes if she wasn’t already in AP Cal and basic drafting, not CAD. We were told old fashioned drafting would be a big asset as many colleges don’t really teach that anymore or combine an abbreviated version of it with a CAD class, and that isn’t really enough to master it. Having solid drafting skills and being able to draft on paper seemed to be considered a needed skill that many programs don’t fully have time to teach well. We were advised against the CAD classes as there are so many different programs out there all using different software. But it was explained to us that if you have a solid understanding of basic drafting, you’ll be able to apply that knowledge to any of those programs. In addition, most schools wanted her to take their specific classes, taught their specific way, covering their specific material to make sure what she was learning was correct and compliant with their ABET accredited program. It didn’t seem like there was any benefit to her taking general or beginner engineering classes somewhere else.

Overall, they seemed to really only care about the math. I think we were asked at every school if she would be taking AP Cal. We had schools call to confirm she was taking AP Cal and AP Physics to qualify her to be direct admitted. We also had it explained to us on more than one engineering preview day, that engineering had separate higher ACT math requirements for admittance into the program than into the school. Most required a minimum Math ACT of 26 or 28, but most schools explained that unless you were higher than that and excelled in advanced math classes in highschool, you’d probably struggle, and this might not be the right field for you.

As far as shadowing, I’d try reaching out directly to companies in your area and seeing if any might be ok with allowing that. Another option is reaching out to the engineering department or career services office at local schools who might be willing to share contacts with you. (community colleges, state schools, local private universities)

@NicoleGreen - your daughter has basically handled things the way my S19 has this application cycle.

@Mom2aphysicsgeek - thanks for the insight!

I truly don’t think the lack of engineering classes/EC’s at our HS will hinder S19 in his college level work but it did end up needing to be addressed in some manner during the application process.

My S20 seems to leaning more towards science/math but not engineering or premed so I feel he will come through with all of the right background HS courses.

@mountainmomof3 @Mom2aphysicsgeek @typiCAmom
Thanks for your thoughts, and for the link. Forgive me if I’m repeating myself. I cant remember where I’ve posted this. But D20 is not one of those kids who has been into science her whole life. She’s always been strong in math, but it’s only in high school that she discovered she’s good at science. She has had access to both math and robotics clubs since at least 5th grade, but has never been interested. Her 6th grade teacher tried hard to recruit her into the math club (they really wanted girls in the club), but she’d rather spend her free time on performing arts. But she has no aspirations to pursue a career in performing arts. If I can talk her into skipping the school play next fall, maybe I can get her to sign up for the robotics club. Oh, and programming, too
no interest.

Maybe she shouldn’t be looking at engineering, but people keep recommending it because of her math and science abilities. She did some online research and thought she would enjoy engineering because there’s room for creativity. She says she has to be in a creative field.

@VickiSoCal That’s reassuring. She is taking AP Physics 1 and AP Calc BC now, and doing very well. Loves physics, and is planning to take AP Physics C and Multivariable Calc next year, assuming she’s going toward an engineering major. Hopefully, she’ll be well prepared for the math and physics classes in college.

@NicoleGreen @mountainmomof3 Sounds like you are both in the same boat as me, with one graduating this year and one next! Fun, lol!

@NicoleGreen Such great information. I screenshotted your post so I don’t lose it. I’m sure she’ll be up for the online research.

We’ll start searching for some local opportunities to shadow someone. She does have some time over spring break, if we can pull something together by then. Thanks everyone for your input.