Parents of the HS Class of 2020 (Part 1)

Some colleges had a question asking “What would you do if you had an extra hour in the day?” Answers to that question should be interesting next year. :smiley:

S20 will take the AP exams. I was about to buy the calc review book when this virus hit. I’m wondering if I should buy it now? I guess I should and just look up what sections aren’t being tested.

@fretfulmother regarding ‘bails on the exam’, this is my one and only kid, so please let me know if I am missing something. Per my original post, wouldn’t D20 only send her scores to her college if she scored 5’s since that is what is required? Or do they require scores lower than what is required to be sent? I feel I may be missing something and would appreciate if you could explain. We can’t figure anything contrary to our thoughts with extensive online investigation…
Thank you!

Regarding bailing on AP exams, my 2017 grad only took one AP exam her senior year even though she had 3 AP classes. She already knew she was going to Pomona College and they will only give you credit for up to 2 APs. So it totally didn’t make sense for her to pay for the extra exams or to waste her time taking them. The college did not care at all. She only sent them the scores of the two she wanted credit for.

Some schools don’t limit the # of APs you can get credit for, so you should definitely research this. But I really think most colleges don’t care if you take the AP exams your senior year, As mentioned by others in this thread, it might raise questions from Admissions if your student declined to take the AP test for sophomore or junior classes, yes. And @asiancaucasian , you would only send the schools the scores for the ones that are a 5 so that she can get credit for them. No point in paying to send them the scores for the others.

ETA: You might also want to submit more scores to the school then they will give credit for, as it can also be beneficial because it might let your student place out of an intro class. So definitely worth researching the specific policy of the school your child is going to or the top schools on their list if they haven’t decided yet.

@Lemonlee Thank you so much! Your reply confirms our thoughts. Pomona College was on my girl’s list too! :wink:

Again, not to harp, but plans change and colleges change - so AP exams can help a few years later.

As to sending scores, we sent to them to the school my son was attending because I believe sending them is free at test time but costs money later? I don’t 100% know if that is true - but I feel like that is what I remember.

My D just got a video from the admissions counselor at one of her schools. It said they are moving the decision date to June 1. He mentioned they are doing this so hopefully more kids will get to visit before making a decision. Do people think schools will reschedule admitted student days for May? Obviously no one know what will happen but does anyone think this is a possibility? Thinking instead of admitted student days they might just do smaller tours but again no one knows where we are going to be in a month. Guess this is just giving me some (probably false) hope that we may be able to do some revisits as right now my D is just so confused on her choices.

@asiancaucasian my son (Princeton 2019) was told by the admission office that it would be considered as academic dishonesty if he was enrolled in AP classes but omitted to take the exams at the end of the courses. Regardless of the fact that he had maximized credit the previous year.

Other people have had other experiences.

Wow. That seems a little extreme. If a student takes the class for academic rigor, learns the material and earns a good grade, how is it academic dishonesty to not take the exam? So, the purpose of the class is solely to teach to the test?

I don’t know - I think the idea behind it, is that an AP curriculum is held to an objective (?) national standard. A grade could mean anything.

My DS had already maxed out his P-allowed AP credits, and had committed to P, and called them b/c cancelling (I think the Euro? or other) tests would have meant a few more days of work with a net positive savings even accounting for lost testing fees. They said essentially, “we admitted you in part because you take AP classes. This is part of the AP classes and it’s considered academic dishonesty to change that now” - so he took them and got 5s :slight_smile: . This is a totally true story, but CC has a lot of people who keep challenging it. I even offered to send the initial voicemail on the subject to someone who harangued me about it on PM. At this point, DS has a new phone and (I’m sure) deleted the vm.

@fretfulmother & @amsunshine Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. If the College Board does indeed offer refunds based on the truncated AP courses this year, I do not think it would be considered an ‘academic dishonesty’. :wink: The Class of 2020 is already losing out on 1/2 to 1/4 semester’s curriculum so it may prove beneficial for students to make sure they have material in core classes covered. I am sure colleges will be addressing this. Supposedly next Friday, April 3, the College Board will make an announcement regarding the AP issue and I suspect it will acknowledge that the Class of 2020 is being placed in a unique situation that requires each student to analyze their situation and their future college’s policy to decide what to do. Any more thoughts on AP testing will be welcomed!

@asiancaucasian - I agree that the class of 2020 is in a tough situation.

My recommendation for all students whom I influence (my kids and my students) is to learn as much as possible anyway in all of your classes, because the world will start up again, and likely colleges will ask for placement exams or other ways of assessing knowledge once that happens. (Not to mention the general honor of learning for its own sake, or the utility of knowledge for one’s later use.)

Oh, I totally believe you – I hope I didn’t give the impression I didn’t. I just think Princeton’s viewpoint is a little extreme and I don’t agree with it. Thanks for sharing that info!

Thank you!! :slight_smile:

In case it’s helpful to anyone - the AP people are announcing free online course reviews starting tomorrow (3/25). I hope I’m allowed to give the relevant link here:
https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/pdf/ap-class-schedule-daily.pdf?SFMC_cid=EM289964-&rid=47008701

@fretfulmother I totally believe you but agree that I think that is a pretty extreme stance for Princeton to take. Curious if they explicitly stated anywhere on their admissions website that they expect all AP exam results to be sent to them. Otherwise, how would they even know?

Just comparing this to SAT/ACT testing where a small number of schools explicitly state that applicants are supposed to submit ALL their SAT/ACT scores, versus the majority of schools that allow you to choose to submit only your best score.

@fretfulmother is 100% correct and it’s not just Princeton. @Lemonlee how they would know is because the course is on their transcript.

Yes, the AP course would be listed on the transcript, but test scores are not listed on our HS transcript. There is no indication on our transcript whether the corresponding AP test was taken or not. Maybe it is different for other high schools.

I have a question about waitlists. S20 was just waitlisted for Wisconsin Madison. He is devastated, as this was always his first choice and he was deferred in EA. He had a 1470 SAT, which should’ve gotten him in. He has friends with similar grades who did get in, who aren’t planning to go. He is so upset, and he does not want to do the waitlist. What do you think? I feel like in this current situation the waitlist is worth joining. But of course, it is his decision.

Whats the risk with doing the waitlist? Especially if it was his number 1? Where is he planning on depositing at? Is he content with that school?