Parents of the HS Class of 2021 (Part 1)

@AlwaysMoving Assuming ED apps drop, perhaps that further increases ED chances.

This really only matters for us if a big reach stays on their lists. If it doesn’t, ED is less important. I’m envisioning a potential quick trip to a big reach in Oct if circumstances allow. Would a late Oct visit cause inaccurate evaluation, undue favoritism toward that school simply because it would be by far the most recent visit?

The main target school was already visited in person, and happens to have a nice juicy ED1 rate, if either of the kids felt so inclined; this ED rate would turn target-level into virtually certain, I think. I wouldn’t mind :wink:

(Tomorrow is Aug 1. When do we start drinking?)

Totally unrelated question, but has anyone’s child used Kahn Academy for AP Calc and if so have feedback? We have a teacher line up we are not at all excited about. She softballed in the spring during and then gave a brutal final.

I think it’s just a matter of what will that visit yield for the visiting student? For us, the point of a visit is the vibe and will we even be able to fuss that out at all during Covid? Kids studying in their rooms, maybe not much open, etc. Ugh.

I really hate when that happens. Homework should be harder than tests, not the other way around. One of our calc teachers is the same way and again someone has this teacher this fall.

Clemson just joined the crowd and is TO for 2021

Thank you to @dadof4kids - and others who sprinkle some lightheartedness in their posts. I for one need it and appreciate it.

On subject of Ed’ing…I think if one can really have a clear favorite that it could be a great tool. We would likely have done so this year but sadly can’t find a clear number one bc of too many variables now.

I would have LOVED to have been potentially been buying a sweatshirt for S in Dec.

Not sure how many athletes will ED, either. Meeting the teams and coaches in person is a huge part of the recruiting process, because the vibes can vary so much from team to team. Zoom doesn’t really cut it for that kind of assessment.

Didn’t Princeton suspend SCEA this year? I wonder if others will do the same thing with ED. I guess it is easy for Princeton to give it up since they’ll have a well-qualified class anyway, but not so easy for a competitive but not top-ranked LAC to dispense with ED.

As always I appreciate comments, positive and negative.

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I believe the answer is mid March 2020 when S19 called me at midnight and asked what was really going on and whether he should be loading up his car and leaving before they shut down state borders.

Here’s my take on ED, FWIW.

I don’t think numbers will be down that much. There will be much hand wringing and gnashing of the teeth. Lots of ED decisions won’t be made until the last minute. But especially in this year where selective admissions are an even bigger crapshoot than normal, the boost will be too hard to pass up.

I also think the reality is that there is a good chance that visits will continue to be limited even in the spring. We really are back to 1985. I said it a few pages ago, but I think that for many of these kids, ED or RD, the first time they physically set foot on campus will be on move in day. And if that’s the case, you can make a somewhat blind decision now about as easily as in April.

There are a few places that I would not be ok with her decision. At Oberlin, Smith, Wesleyan, etc I feel like she would really need to try to get to know the vibe of the place, partly because I question how well she would fit in there. NYU would also be a problem, because I think a semi-rural kid should at least spend a weekend in the City before making the leap to go to a college without a real campus in downtown manhattan. Northeastern is on her list, but that’s one I think she needs to see if at all possible before she commits because it’s different than anything she is familiar with. Amherst (probably any of the NESCACs actually) I think is a bit more mainstream and generic. I’m not saying that as a negative, just that there doesn’t seem to be an overwhelming culture that gives most students either a love or hate feeling. A theater kid or a football player or a member of the robotics team all can probably find their tribe.

S19 was an athlete, and tbh I think even in a normal year non-athletes are flying blind. He had access to pretty much whatever info he wanted and could line up meetings with whoever he wanted to talk to. He spent time with his potential teammates and fellow students. Through his sport, he knew many guys on the teams recruiting him, so he could get their real opinion of the school and the team away from the coaches. At one lower academic school, the coach lined up a sit down with me, son, the coaches and the dean of students to assure us that he could still get the same quality education he would get at an Ivy. That experience is much different than sitting in on one class and meeting with a current student selected by admissions to be their representative.

We had a few trips this spring/summer planned, then canceled. Normally that wouldn’t be in my budget, but I’m sitting on a bunch of airline miles and have a free companion on SW this year (which has been a colossal waste, unfoturnately). Even if we could do visits now (and we could to Tulane, which is high on her list) I’m not super excited to get in a plane and stay in a hotel at the moment.

Not quite 1985, but in 1994 I went to NYU Law, having spent less than 24 hours in NYC on a HS trip 5 years earlier. I’m not saying it wasn’t a culture shock, it was. But it all worked out and I would probably do it the same way again.

@NateandAllisMom – someone posted on our school’s FB website a good resource like Kahn Academy that comes from Carnegie Mellon. I tried to look back and find it again but couldn’t. Does anyone here know of it?

@NateandAllisMom My kids used Khan Academy occasionally to review concepts but not that much. You might look on YouTube. A lot of teachers post videos there, especially those that teach AP courses, and some of them are pretty good. One of my kids used these to prepare for AP/SAT subject tests. This was awhile ago, so I don’t have current links. Alternately if your kid ever qualified for gifted courses through JHU, Duke, Northwestern, it might be worth springing for a supplemental online course.

My kid’s calculus teacher gave brutal homework and brutal tests but did curve if the class bombed a given exam.

We actually got the official email from CB today about S21’s August SAT sitting being cancelled. I already knew this because I reached out to a school counselor last week and got the official word from her on Monday, but I was surprised that CB actually sent the email. In March, we never heard from CB about the date being cancelled (although it was). I do think part of it has to do with whether the school has informed CB. In any case, S21 is taking a practice test right now (masked) so we can figure out whether we’ll continue with prep or just drop it. I almost hope he does poorly so we can be done! Sigh. That seems crazy. If he does pretty well, it’s going to be so frustrating to keep at it for months and then never get a chance to test again.

@dadof4kids I’m happy for your D that she has a first choice where she wants to ED (and also knows she needs to have a backup plan). It’s certainly nice to have that kind excitement right now.

@AlmostThere2018 wow on your S21’s camping trip - I’m impressed!

I have an extended family member who is a high school class of 2021 swimmer and is still planning to ED as far as I know. She only got one official visit in before COVID hit. I believe she’s being recruited by 3-4 schools and plans to ED to one of them, but she’s only been to 1 of the 4. (She did visit quite a few schools last summer, but all were crazy reach schools both academically and in terms of swimming).

We tried to change the test center but we did not find anything within a couple of hours drive! This is really frustrating. I guess will have to wait for ACT to open on Monday, hope and pray we get in or just do Sept 26 SAT.

When the colleges say TO, it is clear as mud. Consider the following 3 statements from MIT in the same blog announcing TO policy:
"We will not require either the SAT or the ACT from first-year or transfer applicants applying this cycle. We expect this to be a one-year suspension of our usual requirements, but will continue to monitor the public health situation closely. "

"Students who have already taken the SAT/ACT are encouraged to send their scores with the understanding that they help us more accurately evaluate their preparedness for MIT, and with the knowledge that tests are only one factor among many in that process. "

“Students who have not already taken the SAT/ACT are discouraged from doing so if they cannot do so safely, and/or are under such strain that they cannot perform to a degree commensurate with their actual preparation.”

So, what I am reading here is that kids that don’t have scores will be clearly at a disadvantage because the scores will help MIT “more accurately evaluate their preparedness”. So, I guess we will have to keep trying to get them the score. (I really hope I am not reading the statements above correctly.)

Thanks for the answers. I meant to type above that she soft-balled during the shutdown with some outside multiple choice resource and no live instruction. Luckily, his school adopted a do-no-harm covid policy and he had an A prior to shut down because a C+ on the final. Even live she isn’t a great teacher and he regularly attended her office hours last year, so it would be helpful just to get another source where he can learn on his own online I think.

That MIT statement is the main reason I don’t think schools are completely TO.

Is it OK to walk around campuses as long as you socially distance and wear masks? DS and I are going to be within an hour or so of one of his target schools and it would be a little bit helpful just to see it, but if it is discouraged by the schools then we won’t do it. Not sure what Dr. Fauci would say.

Check with the school. Some won’t even let you on campus.

@RockySoil If we could walk around and it was a drive-able distance, we would go for sure. We aren’t driving or flying to NC/VA to just walk around.

I think it will vary greatly school to school and possibly reader to reader how important test scores are.

And the most official answer to the question of how much it mattered we will ever get is in discussions among ourselves in April doing post mortem analysis with spotty info.

I did hear of one admission officer letting it slip that a better description than test optional would be test preferred. That was early on, I’m guessing the colleges all have their messaging down now so you won’t see inadvertent glimpses into their thinking again.

Although I think that in May many assumed that fall testing would be more or less back to normal. So who knows if that comment is still even accurate anymore.

Depending on the campus, it could be fine. I mean, I wouldn’t recommend flying to/from a hotspot to look at colleges but if you are going to be nearby and can do it safely, then its probably okay. We walked around several campuses a few weeks ago and we just wore our masks and kept socially distanced. Some campuses are naturally more open to town (UVA, UNC) and we saw a few other families like us walking on their own with a map, as well as handful of students picnicking or reading on the quad. OTOH, Wake Forest was completely closed to visitors, but a security guard told us where we could park off campus and said we were welcome to walk around, so we spent 20-30 minutes walking the gorgeous campus and left. It was worth it for us, since we were nearby those schools and could visit safely.

Anyone if you can do a self tour at VT?

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