Peer schools you really respect...

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<p>One of these things is not like the others …</p>

<p>We all like Berkeley, but really, every thread?</p>

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<p>“Where did I state that it wasn’t? I stated that none of those schools mentioned are peers of Princeton. I was actually defending WUSTL as a peer of all of those schools mentioned, save Princeton.”</p>

<p>Ok, I take that back. My mistake and I’m really sorry about that. My brain wasnt working properly that night.</p>

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Some of these administrators should probably have their heads examined.</p>

<p>Exhibit 1: [Clemson</a> president gives low grade to other schools - USATODAY.com](<a href=“http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2009-06-12-clemson-rankings_N.htm]Clemson”>http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2009-06-12-clemson-rankings_N.htm)</p>

<p>“Documents released by Clemson show Barker gave his own university a “strong” rating in the peer review survey portion of the rankings. But he gave no other university that high a mark. He ranked half the undergraduate universities in the magazine’s survey as “marginal,” according to copies of his survey provided to The Associated Press (he responded “don’t know” for 21 unnamed schools).”</p>

<p>“The documents did not show precisely how he voted on what schools, but Clemson was the only “strong” vote he gave in the national universities category — which includes famous public institutions like the Universities of California and Virginia as well as the private universities of the Ivy League.”</p>

<p>Exhibit 2: [University</a> of Florida President Bernie Machen, in a recent assessment of national universities, gave his school the highest-possible ranking, “distinguished,” as he also did Harvard, Princeton and Yale universities. | Gainesville.com](<a href=“http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090617/ARTICLES/906171007]University”>http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090617/ARTICLES/906171007)</p>

<p>“University of Florida President Bernie Machen, in a recent assessment of national universities, gave his school the highest-possible ranking, “distinguished,” as he also did Harvard, Princeton and Yale universities.”</p>

<p>“Distinguished (5): Columbia University, Harvard University, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Princeton University, Stanford University, the University of California at Berkeley, the University of Florida, the University of Michigan, Yale University”</p>

<p>I wouldn’t be surprised if every university president gives their school a distinguished rating. The Peer Assessment ratings reeks of bias and doesn’t properly account for the quality of undergraduate education at schools.</p>

<p>Michigan’s true peers are UVA, UCLA, USC, Boston College, Tufts, UNC, Berkeley.</p>

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<p>Vengasso, although Tufts and BC are excellent universities, they have nothing in common with Michigan. The other schools you listed are all peers of Michigan. Other peers include Cornell, Northwestern, Penn, Texas-Austin, UIUC and Wisconsin-Madison.</p>

<p>As for the PA, it adjusts for outliers, naturally dropping scores that are unusually high or low. As such, bias ratings (both from friendly and rival institutions) are generally removed, if not cancelled out. I do not see how the PA can so easily be set aside. We may all disagree with some of its ratings and in many instances, universities with similar scores are too different to compare (Brown and Michigan for example). This said, the rating is designed to evaluate academe’s opinion of undergraduate programs.</p>

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<p>That is my opinion and I am entitled to that. </p>

<p>And, yes, many Cambridge grads would be thrilled to attend a formal education at Berkeley (and those schools/universities that I listed). I doubt if you’ll meet a single Cambridge grad who think Berkeley is an inferior university like he/she would think of those lower-ranked Ivies and several US schools unknown in the UK.</p>

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<p>RML, that’s because Cambridge is a public university, so they do not view fellow public universities as necessarily inferior. In the US, many (if not most) people who attend private universities think less of their public peers.</p>

<p>Just on this thread, I have seen one poster liken Wisconsin to a “community college for farmers”. A number of posters have ridiculed those who have the audacity to suggest that a public university can actually deliver a top notch education, exclaiming that they should “get their heads checked” for even thinking such a thing.</p>

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<p>Me: Amherst
Respect: Williams (no, really…), Middlebury, Pomona</p>

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<p>rjkofnovi I don’t understand you. You retort to venassago by saying

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<p>This implies that UPenn, UChicago, Northwestern, Princeton, Duke and Dartmouth are NOT peers of Wash U.
When BearCub accuses you of this you immediately say

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<p>Unless Princeton is not a peer of itself, you might want to reconsider your word choices before you go make a point. Just saying. :)</p>

<p>Also, all those schools are peers for sure. The Ivies are all peers with each other–hence Ivy League. If Princeton is a peer of Cornell (traditionally ragged as the “weakest Ivy”), then why can’t it be a peer to UPenn, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke and Dartmouth?</p>

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<p>Washington U is not a peer to Princeton. UPenn, UChicago, Northwestern, Duke, & Dartmouth are also not peers of Princeton. Clear enough now? Geez.</p>

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<p>CaptnJack: You might want to reconsider your word choices before you go make a point. Just saying. </p>

<p>“The Ivies are all peers with each other–hence Ivy League.”</p>

<p>I see your point. With your logic Duke and Florida State are also peers of each other --hence ACC. Gotcha!</p>

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<p>The Ivies are all peers with each other–hence Ivy League. If Princeton is a peer of Cornell (traditionally ragged as the “weakest Ivy”), then why can’t it be a peer to UPenn, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke and Dartmouth?"</p>

<p>I didn’t know that Chicago, Northwestern, and Duke joined the Ivy League. Interesting.</p>

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<p>"“University of Florida President Bernie Machen, in a recent assessment of national universities, gave his school the highest-possible ranking, “distinguished,” as he also did Harvard, Princeton and Yale universities.”</p>

<p>“Distinguished (5): Columbia University, Harvard University, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Princeton University, Stanford University, the University of California at Berkeley, the University of Florida, the University of Michigan, Yale University”</p>

<p>Well, he almost got it completely right. ;-)</p>

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<p>Digging the love for Wash U, for once. I would say peers are the high endowment, lower enrollment privates. You have the three midwest privates of Wustl, UChicago, and Northwestern, in addition to schools like JHU, Rice, Vandy, Emory, and ND. I’ve got friends at a lot of these places, and they all seem to love it.</p>

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Princeton itself considers its peers to be the other Ivies and MIT.</p>

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<p>It’s a shame that you feel the need to police a thread meant to be positive and uplifting about colleges and insert your own negative opinions.</p>

<p>As for me, I’m finding it difficult to think of a school I don’t respect. Is there a reason that someone wouldn’t respect a top school? :confused: I’ll probably have to go with respecting Davidson, which usually gets totally overlooked on CC in favor of (often weaker) LACs in the Northeast, Midwest, or West. I also have a tremendous amount of respect for Wake Forest.</p>

<p>Some of my other favorite schools, in no particular order, are Reed, Haverford, Swarthmore, Hopkins, Tufts, Penn, Rice, UNC Chapel Hill, Michigan, Warren Wilson, the College of the Atlantic, Rhodes, UT Austin, U Washington, Cornell, and Bowdoin. I don’t really know (or care) if they’re peers of any of my alma maters.</p>

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<p>“It’s a shame that you feel the need to police a thread meant to be positive and uplifting about colleges and insert your own negative opinions”</p>

<p>Then I suggest you read this entire thread and not just one sentence.</p>

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<p>^You are really annoying and false…you made a mistake and you don’t accept it.</p>

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<p>@Warbler’s rule: Here are MIT’s peers (selected of many):</p>

<p><a href=“http://web.mit.edu/emcc/www/MIT-WCET-C-LMS-Final-Report-07-19-06.pdf[/url]”>http://web.mit.edu/emcc/www/MIT-WCET-C-LMS-Final-Report-07-19-06.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>CMU
Columbia
Harvard
Middlebury
Princeton </p>

<p>Stanford
Cal
UChicago
UT Austin
Yale</p>

<p>And a few of Berkeley’s many peers:</p>

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<p>UCLA, Harvard, Stanford, Duke, and Penn. Now I hope people won’t flip out when they see Harvard in the same sentence as a “lower Ivy” as peers.</p>

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<p>School: Grinnell
Respect: Middlebury big time, but also Carleton, Vassar, and Hamilton</p>

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<p>"^You are really annoying and false…you made a mistake and you don’t accept it.:</p>

<p>The mistake I made was cutting and pasting an entire sentence from a previous post without rechecking it. I clarified my statement in post #189.</p>

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<p>No rjkofnovi. You’re a rude person.</p>

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<p>This is why you are annoying and false.</p>