<p>I’m sorry, but you’re just speculating, and there was no New York Times 2007 study. It was from 2004, and that study said Penn got 67% of the cross admits, the same as Dartmouth and Columbia, as well.</p>
<p>If Cornell A&S and Penn CAS were equally selective, wouldn’t it follow that a large number of Cornell A&S students had been accepted to Penn? This is generally the case with peer institutions; for example, a lot of Brown students were also accepted to Columbia and Penn, just as many Penn students were also accepted to Columbia and Brown - or Yale students to Princeton, and vice versa.
When I was at Cornell, though, many students had been accepted to Northwestern or WashU or Rice, but I never met an A&S student who had been accepted to Columbia or Penn or Brown. I did meet one engineer like that, though.</p>
<p>This brings me to my final point: you’re exactly wrong. It’s not that the 70% who choose Penn are drawn to Wharton. It’s that the 30% who choose Cornell are drawn to the engineering school. Cornell engineering is the best in the Ivy League, and the engineers were the only students at Cornell that I met that had been accepted to places like Penn, Columbia and Brown. Never an A&S kid, though.</p>
<p>wow, this conversation is becoming outrageously absurd. obviously you all are bright people who happen to have strong loyalties to your schools of choice. instead of consulting this group of elitists, why do you not read about the schools on princeton review or us news? there is no way to receive an objective answer to your questions on this site.</p>
<p>I’ve seen a more recent study than 2004, and the numbers were different. I can’t find either that one or the 2004 one online. Also, the study is very skewed because Penn admits such a high percentage of people ED that it can be much more selective RD, so a lot of people who get into Cornell don’t get into Penn. Additionally, the study was supposed to take as diverse a sample as possible- I can assure you that nowhere near 39% of cross admits were engineering students.</p>
<p>I don’t know what kind of people you know, but I do not plan on going up to people at Cornell and asking them where else they got into college. I really don’t see how this topic is going to come up in discussions with friends…</p>
<p>sleepingbeauty, I actually have no interest in this whatsoever, but muerteapablo spends so many posts insulting Cornell, and she’s wrong the majority of the time. It’s unnerving to see, so I feel the need to respond. And she’s not a ■■■■■; I think she actually believes what she writes. Anyway, you’re right. I’m ignoring her from now on.</p>
<p>BULL*****. If anyone tracks your posts, it’s patently obvious that you’re a ■■■■■ who spends his time following my posts and trying to set off other Penn students. It’s not hard to extrapolate why, but I won’t go into that right now.</p>
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<p>Haha, yeah right. I’d be very happy if you did, and took your statistical imagination elsewhere.</p>
<p>Muerte or anyone else - do you guys know yield statistics for Penn CAS specifically? I’m assuming Penn’s overall yield gets a decent bump bc Wharton dominates so significantly. Any idea how significant this is? </p>
<p>Also, one other question I had - and I didn’t see it much because I rarely had Wharton kids enrolled in the classes I TA’d, is Wharton kinda seen as the crown jewel of the undergrad colleges? I feel that when colleges have specific schools, there is always a little intra-school rivalry, and is this the case at Penn at all? I know, for example, that the Cornell A&S kids sometimes “look down on” the “state-school kids.” Does this happen with Wharton in comparison to the CAS or Nursing students? </p>
<p>Again, I always abhorred this sort of behavior. If someone wants to study Ag at cornell, more power to them - we need people with that knowledge. I am curious whether this takes place or not - at least a little bit - at Penn.</p>
<p>Yeah, I knew I was right about EATYOURCEREAL. He’s a bitter reject, and that dies hard (or not at all).</p>
<p>Cue7:
To answer your yield questions: I’m surprised that you ask this, since I’ve already provided the information for you to calculate this on your own. I presume you didn’t do your grad work in math or statistics? I kid, I kid.</p>
<p>Recall that Penn accepted 2411 students for its CAS class this year. They accepted this many to fill 1,500 spots in each CAS class, so their yield would be 1500/2411 = .622, or 62.2%. This is 4% lower than last year, when they accepted only 2250; 1500/2250 = .664, or 66.4%.</p>
<p>Wharton comprises only 13% of the accepted students, and thus its affect on the yield is relatively small, especially when you consider that it’s countered by the engineering school. In general, Penn CAS’s yield and admit rate are the same as the entire school’s yield and admit rate; in fact, I’ve demonstrated this numerous times on this website.</p>
<p>As for rivalry: yes, there is one, although it’s more friendly than negative. CAS kids say Whartonites go to a glorified trade school, Whartonites say CAS kids waste their time on fairy-tales and wishy-washy humanities nonsense, but there is no clearly perceived superiority complex on campus. Indeed, especially among science and engineering majors, Whartonites generally share a mutual respect.</p>
<p>Haha thanks muertea I missed that. Also, no, I was never one for math and stats - I spent most of my undergrad and grad years doing poli sci and reading a lot of humanities stuff. In any case, that’s a great yield for Penn CAS - it’d be interesting to see how yield changed over time. Any clue what yield was in the mid 90s? I’m assuming Penn CAS’ yield has gone up by like 15% in the past 10 years or so. This is really interesting seeing that yield for HYP etc. has probably stayed consistent over this time period. </p>
<p>Thanks for the info on the intra-school rivalry.</p>
<p>Yes, the yield has changed drastically since the mid 90s, probably by up to 20%, even. Right now, it’s the 7th highest college yield. Penn also over-enrolls its class from time to time, so there are years that the true yield has hit 70% (the class of 2010). The only other schools with that type of drawing power in their applicant pools are HYP. Stanford and MIT are lower.</p>
<p>So yes, I think it’s fair to say that we’re pretty popular right now.</p>
<p>Penn inflates yield with a high ED percentage. With 49% ED Penn basically adds an extra 10% to their yield. Yield is way too easily manipulated to make it a meaningful statistic. RD yield is MUCH more relevant and its an equal playing field. Penn still does well for RD yield no doubt but RD yield at penn is the same as dart, brown, and columbia.</p>
<p>Personally I’m not sure why Penn hasn’t been more popular lately. But for some reason the last few years apps have stagnated vs. the other Ivies.</p>
<p>Don’t kid yourself. Penn’s yield is basically a function of its almost unconscionable abuse of Early Decision. Nice to lock up nearly half your class with kids who know they have little to no shot at HYPSM, but are bent on Ivy at all costs. Talk about a captive audience. Penn ED is for risk averse kids who want guaranteed admission to any Ivy at the expense of giving up their dream schools. Trust me, Penn is nobody’s “dream school.” (Most kids grow up thinking it’s Penn State.) “Pretty popular”? You wish!</p>
<p>FYI, Stanford’s yield is higher than Penn’s. Get your facts straight!</p>
<p>wow. Seriously, nyccard? It’s only the number five school in the country… such a safety, isn’t it? Filled of stupid students who couldn’t get into Wharton or any other ivy, right?</p>
<p>I know of students who were waitlisted at Harvard, Princeton, admitted to Columbia, but rejected at Penn (CAS)… (not that your ridiculously egregious comments even merit a response)</p>