People who got in with low GPA

<p>I think the only thing that’s really intimidating about my profile is the stats. I test well; that’s my schtick.</p>

<p>There are many things that are MORE IMPRESSIVE to an admissions committee than shiny test scores. Chief among them:</p>

<p>(1) Consistent track records. One such track record would be a track record of hard work at academic learning. If you don’t have that (low GPA), perhaps you at least have (A) a track record of aggressively pursuing the toughest available classes - the most # of APs, some college courses, online courses - even if you can’t always get the A’s, you can at least show a passion for learning. If you simply have too many other priorities besides just your classes, you could (B) show a track record of pursuing your extracurricular passions, be they sports, research, community service, quasi-academic activities and clubs, or even business.</p>

<p>(2) Excellence. There is an urge in some people that for whatever they choose to pursue, they feel a drive to be the absolute best in it that they possibly can. I first felt that about classical piano, hardly a world-shattering undertaking. Many others, who were far stronger applicants than I, showed excellence in their particular passion. They may have won awards, they may have been recognized by the community, they may have recommenders who glowingly talked about how this applicant has a “fire in their belly” about a particular issue and has driven towards goals and achievements with single-minded purpose. By whatever method it gets demonstrated, excellence is tremendously appealing to Columbia and other schools like it. </p>

<p>Excellence in video games is hardly going to make anyone sit up and take notice, granted. But the same efforts put forward by someone who is passionate about throwing parties or being the most popular person they can be, might well find themselves equally able to muster that passion for something that Columbia would take more seriously - say, passion to show leadership with the campus community, with their local town community, with service organizations, or any other effort involving people. Someone who loves to read books might find equally appealing the opportunity to do some academic research, become an expert on a subject, and advance their learning with other experts. An urge to excellence, channeled through “productive” activities (i.e. something that demonstrates future potential for success), is tremendously appealing.</p>

<p>Columbia will take someone every time who has shown leadership in something meaningful - DESPITE a 3.5 GPA, or DESPITE a lack of truly stellar test scores - over someone like me who looks flashy, looks like a renaissance man, but hasn’t gotten down and focused on things long enough to truly make a difference. That’s how you get in with a low GPA - show a track record, or excellence, at something meaningful. And you’ll keep beating the 17-year-old Denzeras of the world for an admissions spot, because frankly you’ll be a better applicant, no matter what my test scores might’ve said back then.</p>

<p>to contrast denzera, i got in ED 07 w/3.5 UW, 2290 SATI, 800 math/phys.
I had similar mathematical coursework, but I figure it was really good teacher/guidance recs and the strength of my HS that got me in, because I really didn’t have any special ECs. It seems there’s a bit of variability in what happens, though it’s quite possible that i just got lucky.</p>

<p>where’d you go to HS, lville?</p>

<p>denzera people like you scare everyone</p>

<p>i went to The Lawrenceville School ([The</a> Lawrenceville School - Home](<a href=“http://www.lawrenceville.org%5DThe”>http://www.lawrenceville.org)). lville for short.</p>

<p>I had a friend who was a semi-slacker and got in. He had excellent SATs but only somewhat good GPA… but he was also class-prez and captain of the varsity soccer AND baseball teams.</p>

<p>He was accepted, but ultimately he crashed and burned, and he had to take a year off. He’s back on the horse now, but he already did pretty badly one year, so his grad school chances might be totally ruined. He’s pretty upset about it.</p>

<p>That was into CC, not SEAS.</p>

<p>I had another friend who was a slacker BIG TIME, excellent SATs and Boards but again, only an ok GPA, I believe it was exactly 3.6. He only worked when he absolutely had to. He had a ton of legacy though, and he got in early (40% ED accepted his year, though, so…). He hated the engineering, transferred into CC, and he’s doing fine, although his slacking actually killed him recently on a couple of midterms.</p>

<p>Bottom line - whether you think it is or not, GPA is truly indicative of future performance. Watch out.</p>

<p>lville - heh, I thought you were from Louisville KY, and your name was a play on “Louisville Slugger” baseball bats. I also think a 3.5 looks a lot better than a 3.3 - much bigger than the difference between a 3.5 and a 3.7.</p>

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screw you muerteapablo, my grades in SEAS were awesome :D</p>

<p>(all kidding aside, I entered Columbia as a much more focused person than the kid who got a 3.3 in high school - they were right to reject me the first time)</p>

<p>well for me, 1st semester was pretty good, 2nd semester decided to take too many classes and did terribly. i’m back to a 3.5, actually.</p>

<p>Denzera, what you did was admirable, just not the norm. I’m struggling to turn myself around, as well, in many ways. I have deplorable work habits.</p>

<p>I’ll say this - what I lacked in high school was maturity. What gave me maturity was my full-time professional work experience. Getting that job was the best decision I ever made, regardless of the fact that it got me into Columbia. It was what pushed me to grow up.</p>

<p>For that reason I can’t recommend highly enough the idea of taking a gap year between high school and college. It will let you see the world on your own, or at least to tackle it with some safety net between you and having to eat dog food. Whether you volunteer, work, or travel, taking that time to leave the nest a little bit and see the real world will grow you up in ways that can’t be adequately described to you.</p>

<p>For purposes of this thread, my recommendations in #21 are what I would stand by… but it was getting that employment which was the difference in what small successes I have had since high school.</p>