Permanent Daylight Saving Time?

Parts of Arizona use Mountain Time including seasonal daylight time. These parts are in the Navajo Nation.

I would be happier if there was a time and folks just stick to it. I’d prefer standard time over daylight savings because the time zones would be slightly less onerous 5 hrs for East Coast instead of 6 and 2 hours for West Coast instead of 3, but just stop changing the clocks.

HI has never adopted DST and it just adds confusion as to how many hours different everyone is.

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and in my opinion, the whole state should be on the same time. Just pick one. It’s the bouncing back and forth that is nuts.

I flew from Phoenix to Denver yesterday
both Mountain time
but there was a one hour time change because of AZ not using DST.

But now that I think about it
if AZ doesn’t switch
would that mean they would essentially be on Pacific time?

Team DST here and I wish we would keep it now instead of having one more round of standard time.

I remember when we skipped it in 1973. I also remember my whole family wishing we could keep it all the time. We were in upstate NY on the Canadian border and my parents were both teachers. We absolutely despised how quickly it got dark in the evenings in winter - sometimes they’d leave school in darkness. Kids then in my school district had to walk or be driven if they lived within 2 miles of the school. I don’t recall anyone getting upset about that aspect (darkness in the morning) around us. If kids stayed after school for any club or sports they were walking home in the dark in the evening on Standard time. In the darkest days, sunset came between 4 and 4:30pm. I ran track during the winter season. Track practice ended around 5pm.

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Never have had an issue adjusting for time change. Can see a benefit of picking a time and sticking to it though. But at least in the northern parts of the country, I think the biggest issue in terms of light is the shortness of the days in the winter. Moving it an hour forward or backward doesn’t make that big of a difference.

Sorry–Wanted to respond to thread not Creekland.

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People are saying “just pick one” - but who actually picks ( I mean I’m sure there are some but great minority?) that “pick one” to be Standard Time??

Why not split the baby in half, i.e., move the clock 30 minutes forward (from Standard Time) permanently?

Me neither. (Always thought it was much ado about nothing.)

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Our circadian rhythm is based on the sun. Thus, having DST means waking up early (compared to sunrise).

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Pro - it makes me happy.
Come on congress & Joe! Sign the damn thing!!!

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As a Phoenix resident I much prefer non-DST seasons because then we’re on “true” MST and my conference calls all start later (I have calls with both East and West coast and everything in-between).

During DST you’re correct, we’re effectively on PDT and permanent DST would mean AZ would effectively be on permanent pacific time which I hate (due to the aforementioned conference call issue).

If DST becomes permanent it would be nice if the AZ legislature would switch us to MDT but I’m not holding my breath.

No need speculating on advantages and disadvantages of permanent DST. Congress just needs to pass it so we’ll know what’s in it.

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We all have different body clocks or circadian rhythm’s. We’re just built differently in many, many ways, and not just circadian rhythms. :wink:

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The text of the bill is here:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623/text

Looks like it does the following:

  1. Removes seasonal daylight time.
  2. Changes standard time to one hour ahead of current standard time (i.e. will be the same as current daylight time).
  3. Gives states that exempted themselves from seasonal daylight time a choice of:
    a. Having permanent new standard time (the same as current daylight time).
    b. Having permanent old standard time (the same as current standard time).
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Time change really affects me and those in healthcare. I worked last weekend my usual 12 hour shifts but literally lost an entire hour of sleep from the few I get between shifts since I didn’t get to just go to bed earlier or sleep in a little to adjust. All of us on day shift who worked Saturday and Sunday were sluggish and not at our best. Luckily night shift got to work 11 hours and get paid 12 but in the fall they work a 13 hour shift and I do get an extra hour of sleep. We do all this while responsible for fragile children. Without looking up numbers but aren’t there studies showing more incidents occurring during the change? I’m one who is cheering the legislation and don’t care which time they choose, just stick with one.

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It depends on your lifestyle (do you drive much? Are you a morning person or night owl? Do you spend a lot of time outside?) and “season of life” (do you have small children? are you still working and working a day schedule? are you retired and have few obligations?)

I am still working full time and I value and crave outdoor time all 4 seasons. If it’s my choice (which it isn’t!) I want a time plan that gives me the most bang from my buck to have light for outdoor time. I mean ideally I want some prior to work and after work! - but the way the world spins that isn’t always possible!

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The US is just too big, north-to-south-wise, for permanent DST to work. In the south, closer to the equator, there is less difference between summer and winter length of day. In Maine, Michigan, etc, summer days are MUCH longer and winter days are MUCH shorter. We’re planning a trip to Banff Alberta for June, near the summer solstice—the sun sets at almost 10PM! On the winter solstice sunrise isn’t until almost 9AM.

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I don’t follow how that is a problem. Neither DST nor ST lengthens or shortens days, just shifts an hour from morning to evening.

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I remember DLS in 73. It was great and most everyone loved it. I think the only problem was kids going to school in the dark but in a lot of places they go to school in the dark anyways. Would rather have the extra daylight in the evening.

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I think it HAS to be Daylight Savings Time all year round. We are already on DST for 8 months of the year. It would be ridiculous to switch to ST suddenly. Just make the 4 months that aren’t DST be DST.

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Never said DST changes length of day–that would be a dumb thing for me to say!

Without daylight savings time in the north, the sun would rise at 4AM in the summer–OK if you’re a farmer, not so good if you’re a 9 to 5 worker. In winter, should kids be walking to school or waiting for buses in complete darkness? Those are the kind of issues one has to think about!

My point had to do with the north-south length of the country. If we were Austria, which is not very “tall” but is very “wide”, less of a problem. Floridians do not see the difference in length of daylight that northerners see. THAT was my point!

For those who work during the day, a later sunset is good–during their free time. For those who work at night, it’s darker for more of their free time. Not going to please everybody.

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