PHILOSOPHY/ENGLISH double; suggestions?

<p>Hi--</p>

<p>Majoring in Philosophy and quite possibly doubling with English.
I'm especially interested in Philosophy of Language, Logic, and Mind.
I love English literature, but I'm very writing-focused.</p>

<p>** I need 2 more schools.
I dont care much about rankings.
(I'm not terribly worried about whether or not i can get in - I've got schools already in all 3 realms (reach target safety) - mostly this is to up my choices after acceptance letters come in)</p>

<p>Qualities I'm looking for in a school include:
undergrad focused;
free-thinking;
"learning for the sake of learning" (vs. grades/job);
strong, brilliant, student-focused, approachable, passionate teachers;
HAPPY (not bubbly or optimistic necessarily, genuinely happy), creative, witty, laid-back (but not apathetic!), open-minded, down-to-earth, non-cliquey; well-rounded, passionate student body (well that was a mouthful);
Unity - whether it's school spirit or just a mentally-connected student body;
small classes (especially for philosophy and english!)
i would prefer a city, but in all honesty the only environment i would not like is a place that's dead, suffocating, or repressed.
breathtaking architecture would not be bad either ; )</p>

<p>And yes, I will be going to some sort of grad school. Law, or if i become obsessed (likely!) perhaps even pursuing a single subject </p>

<p>My high school allows us to apply to 10 schools (excluding UCs)</p>

<p>Current list: for the most part, out of order
1. Brown (ED) [reach]
2. Dartmouth [reach]
3. Wesleyan University [lower target]
4. Duke [reach]
5. Pomona [reach]
6. Reed [lower target]
7. Colorado College [safety]
8. NYU <a href="+%20UCs:%20Berkeley%20%5Breach%5D,%20LA%20%5Btarget%5D,%20SD%20%5Bsafety%5D,%20SC%20%5Bsafety%5D">safety</a></p>

<p>and i suppose i could tell you that i am... from an episcopalian prep school (i'm not religiously-affiliated though); female; asian; from orange county, california</p>

<p>THANK YOU!! ( :</p>

<p>Take a look at Macalester (MN), a nice, non-apathetic college, near a major city. And, Carleton, also in Minnesota, but maybe a tad more isolated than Mac.</p>

<p>where the hell is uchicago on your list!?!? and barnard (woman's college associated with columbia..or just plain columbia)</p>

<p>Swarthmore. UChicago. Columbia. Smith.</p>

<p>You sound like a perfect fit for the University of Chicago. I would also suggest Bard, Swarthmore, and Reed.</p>

<p>Grinnell, URochester, Johns Hopkins, Haverford, Columbia.</p>

<p>actually UChicago is on my maybe list right now - but from you are all saying, maybe i should move it up to definitely? </p>

<p>i'm only worried because i can be motivated, determined - fanatically obsessed even - but only when i really like the subject.</p>

<p>i tend to slack off when i'm either bored or when i simply dont care about the subject (eg: a lot of the technical science stuff)</p>

<p>also, for any of you who go to or went to UChicago, i know that students tend to look back at their experiences and really appreciate it - but what about during the 4 years?</p>

<p>Believe or not: NYU. Their graduate philosophy program was rated number one in the country by the Philosophical Gourmet. Check out:<a href="http://www.philosophicalgourmet.com/overall.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.philosophicalgourmet.com/overall.htm&lt;/a> .</p>

<p>They also have a strong English program. It wouldn't be a bad pick at all other than the fact that it is a LARGE school.</p>

<p>Other excellent choices would be Princeton,which is highly ranked in philosophy, and Yale. Princeton in particular is doing some exciting things in philosophy and is graduating some top academics in Philosophy.</p>

<p>Other options would be Scripts, Carleton, and many good state universities such as University of Virginia and University of Michigan.</p>

<p>If you are willing to forgo your English requirement,which I know wasn't in your post, you might want to consider St. Johns in Annapolis or Santa Fe. They have a very academic student body that is interested in learning. You would get in effect a double major there: classics and ancient philosophy. Your curriculum throughout the four years is to study all of the Great Books. You might find this more enjoyable and appealing to your academic pursuits than that of Englsih and Philosophy;however, this is not your "usual" college experience or curriculum. It is designed for a special kind of cat.</p>

<p>The following is an article from the Philosophical Gourmet on Undergraduate study. I think you will find it interesting:</p>

<p>UNDERGRADUATE STUDY </p>

<p>Over the years, many high school students or their parents have contacted me to inquire how to use the Report with respect to choosing an undergraduate institution. The first point to make is that the focus of this Report is on graduate study only: Pittsburgh may have an outstanding philosophy department, but it might make more sense for a good student interested in philosophy to do his or her undergraduate work at Johns Hopkins or Amherst, where student-faculty ratios are more favorable, and where there is a stronger focus on undergraduate education. Many faculty at major departments did not do their undergraduate work at institutions with top-ranked PhD programs. The tenured faculty at Michigan , for example, did undergraduate work at Harvard (2), Swarthmore (2), Wesleyan, Tulane, Oberlin, Amherst, Berkeley, and John Carroll, among other places. Texas faculty did undergraduate work at Yale (4), Princeton (3), Haverford, Drew , Cal Tech, Missouri , Michigan State , Brown, UVA, and Columbia , among other places. There are eminent philosophers--who have held or now hold tenured posts at top ten departments--who did their undergraduate work at the University of New Mexico, Queens College (New York), and the University of Pittsburgh. It is possible to get good philosophical training in many undergraduate settings.</p>

<p>High school students interested in philosophy would do best to identify schools that have strong reputations for undergraduate education first. Only then, should they look in to the quality of the philosophy department. Some ranked PhD programs have good reputations for undergraduate education, like Princeton , Yale, Brown and Rice, among many others. The larger universities (like Harvard or Michigan or Texas ) tend to offer a more mixed undergraduate experience, largely due to their size. Since much of the teaching at those institutions will be done by graduate students, it pays to go to a school with a strong PhD program, since that will affect the intellectual caliber of teachers you will encounter.</p>

<p>Among schools that do not offer the PhD or MA in philosophy, those with the best philosophy faculties would probably include: Amherst College, California Institute of Technology, Dartmouth College , Reed College , University of Vermont , and Wellesley College . But many other good liberal arts colleges and universities that only offer a B.A. have strong philosophy faculties as well (i.e., faculties doing philosophical work at the research university level), for example: Barnard College; Bates College; Brandeis University; California State University at Northridge; Colby College; Colgate University; Davidson College; Franklin & Marshall College; Haverford College; Mt. Holyoke College; Iowa State University; Kansas State University; New College (South Florida); North Carolina State University; Oberlin College; Occidental College; Pomona College; Smith College; Southern Methodist University; Swarthmore College; Trinity University (San Antonio); University of Alabama at Birmingham; University of Delaware; University of Massachussetts at Boston; Vassar College; Virginia Commonwealth University; Wesleyan University; Western Washington University; and College of Willliam & Mary, among others. (This list is not exhaustive; see below for how to evaluate other programs.) St. John's College , the "great books" school at both Annapolis and Santa Fe , offers strong historical coverage of the field, but weaker coverage of contemporary philosophy; still, many St. John's grads do well in admissions to graduate school.</p>

<p>In general, when looking at the philosophy department of a liberal arts college, you should look at two things. (1) Does the department provide regular offerings in the history of philosophy (ancient, modern, Continental), formal logic, value theory (moral and political philosophy), and some combination of metaphysics, epistemology, philosophy of language and philosophy of mind. You will need courses in most of these areas to be adequately prepared for graduate study, not to mention to get a serious education in philosophy. (2) Where did the faculty earn their PhD? The majority of the faculty at any good department should have earned PhDs from well-ranked programs (as a rule of thumb, those in the top 50). If significant numbers of faculty earned their PhDs elsewhere, be wary. Some liberal arts colleges, even some very good ones, have philosophy faculties that are now pretty far on the margins of the discipline.</p>

<p>You might also consider contacting the philosophy department at an undergraduate institution you are considering to inquire about where graduates have gone on for PhD study. A school like Reed sends more students on to top PhD programs than most universities with top twenty philosophy departments; that says something important about the quality of the philosophical faculty and curriculum. Amherst also provides interesting and impressive information about its alumni in academia: see <a href="http://www.amherst.edu/%7Ephilo/alumni/index%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.amherst.edu/~philo/alumni/index&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>If you're serious about both philosophy and literature, look into Comparative Literature programs; they have philosophical leanings. Recommendations: UC Irvine, Cornell, the Duke program (this last one simply called "Literature").</p>

<p>the School spirit makes Brown Dartmouth and Duke your top 3 - all top schools academically with great programs in the humanities and social sciences all around</p>

<p>UChicago doesn't have many happy people and as much school spirit. haha thats just a stereotype but I usually help perpetuate it because I feel its sort of true. NYU is more a match than a safety, but you should be able to count on it.</p>