Piano in MT productions?

<p>This might not be the right place for this but maybe someone here would be able to help;</p>

<p>My D is very interested in playing piano for musical theater productions in college. She has been the rehearsal accompanist/pit pianist for every musical in her high school and summer community theater production for the past three years and was the instrumental director/asst. musical director for two of them. She is also an accomplished classical performer. She wonders if piano performance is the right major for her.</p>

<p>My question is - How are piano performance majors who want to do MT perceived? Is it welcomed or is it like marching band and "not recommended"? Do the instrumentalists in a musical's pit orchestra come from the performance majors?</p>

<p>Does anyone have any first hand knowledge of this? Or -any insights into what might be the best route for someone who would rather be playing piano for the performers on stage than playing solo on a large grand piano in the center of the stage herself? </p>

<p>Any suggestions re. colleges that might welcome such a person?</p>

<p>I'm pretty sure the MT orchestras at OCU are all music performance majors. I would think she would be in great demand. And could earn some extra money accompanying master classes, etc.</p>

<p>I don't know first hand, but I'm sure if she studies piano performance, she'll be taught to be well rounded. She'll probably have classes for jazz styles along with classical and probably musical theater. Where she ends up in the future depends of the connections she makes and the recognition she gets. My opinion is; study piano performance at a well-renouned music school. This will give her connections to professional theater companies if she goes into MT style piano, or might display her talent in a showcase that a talent agent is attending.</p>

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I'm sure if she studies piano performance, she'll be taught to be well rounded. She'll probably have classes for jazz styles along with classical and probably musical theater.

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I respectfully beg to differ. Typically a piano performance major will be exclusively geared toward classical music, unless you are in a school where it would be geared toward jazz. To assume that a pianist would be "well rounded" in various styles doesn't match any program I know. </p>

<p>The only program that I know which offers a degree in Musical Theatre accompanying is Shenandoah. However, I think there are MT schools that encourage students in their pursuit of musical direction as a career. This may need to be a specialized question for you to ask schools.</p>

<p>When my daughter visited Elon, we met an incredibly nice young lady who was one of the staff accompanists there. Her name is Haidee Dollak. She had her BME from UNCG and I know that she played for some of the MT productions at Elon. I'm sure she wouldn't mind your emailing her. You can find her email here if you click on adjunct faculty. </p>

<p><a href="http://org.elon.edu/music/faculty.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://org.elon.edu/music/faculty.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Are you asking about just serving as an accompanist in college or about playing in musicals as a career path? If the latter, here are some thoughts.</p>

<p>First, keep in mind that playing for musicals is generally not steady work. The orchestras that play for shows are typically "pick up bands" as opposed to a "standing orchestra" at a particular theater or a particular production company. In the major cities, usually the shows use their music directors to either engage the musicians directly or the music directors go through local "contractors" (also musicians) who engage the musicians for the run. Because work of this type is part time and often intermittent, musicians frequently are juggling schedules between various work opportunities so as to try to maximize the overall amount of work they get over the course of a year. It's not unusual to to have musicians rotate in and out of shows as other work becomes available which may be viewed as more advantageous. (Duration, scheduling, compensation, type of performance, repertoire, prestige or even simply the desire to make a change are all factors. How many performances in a row can you play the same music before it becomes stultifying.) This, of course, can vary depending on the length of the run of a show and whether the show is a touring company that travels with a compliment of its own musicians and then supplements by picking up musicians in the cities the show hits.</p>

<p>Because the work is part time and intermittent, musicians who play musicals must also be able to play other genres. The same cadre of musicians who play musicals may also be seeking work playing for ballets, opera, pops orchestras, single engagement gigs etc.</p>

<p>All of the professional musicians I come in contact with either spent years studying with master musicians, received music performance degrees in their instrument or both. They also were trained on a broad variety of music ranging from classical to pops to jazz. Unless you are among the lucky few who get full time positions with a major orchestra, you need diversity in training and experience in order to keep employed.</p>

<p>If what you were talking about was simply playing for college MT productions, then oops, I misread your question. ;)</p>

<p>Calling Soozie.....</p>

<p>Playing in the pit for musicals will most likely not be steady... most jobs in the arts are not... accompanying can be steadier... ie. playing lessons, auditions, rehearsals, classes, cabarets... than some other performance tracks. My colleagues who do this make a very good living. Most also Music Direct musicals, and often coach MT performers.</p>

<p>Shenandoah Conservatory has a degree in Accompanying for Musical Theatre. James Madison University, where I teach, has an accompanying track in the school of music. Although the focus of the track is not exclusively musical theatre, those student for whom this is a personal focus accompany more of the musical theatre performance majors, play for faculty directed operas and musicals, often play and music direct/ conduct student directed musicals, I occasionally hire advanced accompanists who are familiar with the MT repertory to play for my MT classes and auditions. </p>

<p>Depending on the school, the size of the piano and/ or accompanying programs, whether of not there are graduate students, the relationship between the School of Music and the Schools of Theatre (if they are separate schools, and assuming that musical theatre is housed in the School of Theatre), etc... the opportunities and support for the music students pursuing musical theatre opportunities will vary.</p>

<p>A piano performance major will focus more on "solo" piano performance, rather than accompanying other musicians.</p>

<p>Like MichaelNKat, if you were asking about simply playing for college productions, not majoring in piano... sorry for TMI</p>

<p>:) Good luck</p>

<p>I agree with MusicthCC that most piano majors are trained extensively in classical music, with the possibility of jazz as well. A well-trained musician will have no difficulty, however, musically directing musical theatre pieces. Most successful MDs are not only talented pianists, but also composers and arrangers, and often conductors.</p>

<p>We know two very successful musical directors, one who's been in the theatre community for a long time, and one who's relatively young but who has been very successful. Both have studied voice and piano (as well as several other instruments) extensively. Here are some details of their work/bios which you might find interesting:</p>

<p>Rick Fox has been the music director for Rent, Miss Saigon, Blood Brothers, The Lion King, The Phantom of the Opera, The Producers, The Who's Tommy, The Lord of the Rings, among many others. He's been nominated for 7 Dora Mavor Moore awards and won 3. He has just this week been appointed the music director at the Stratford Festival for next season.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.playbill.com/news/article/111799.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.playbill.com/news/article/111799.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.cyranocanada.com/Rick%20Fox.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.cyranocanada.com/Rick%20Fox.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Wayne Gwillim, who obtained his Bachelor of Music in voice studies from the University of Toronto, is also one of the most amazing pianists I've had the pleasure of experiencing. As a soloist, he has performed works such as Bach’s St. John Passion, Vivaldi’s Gloria, Mendelssohn’s Elijah, Handel’s Messiah, Stainer’s Crucifixion and the premiere of Dennis Hendricksen’s And Jesus Said. For the past five years, Wayne has been a soloist at Bloor Street United Church in Toronto and is currently the Interim Director of Music for Humber Valley United Church in Etobicoke. Originally from Saskatchewan, Wayne works as a musical theatre accompanist, musical director, vocal coach, and arranger in Toronto. He has musically directed productions of tick..tick...Boom, John & Jen, and Elegies: A Song Cycle in Toronto. His work with Smile Theatre in the city includes musical arrangement for both Popcorn Princess and How to Get Rid of a Monster, Radio Daze, Make ‘em Laugh and At the Hop. He has also taken on the role of composer for Queen of the Mist. Wayne has also acted in many productions, including one this fall at Talk is Free Theatre.</p>

<p>Another successful MD, whom I know but less well, is John McDaniel. Interestingly, he has a BFA in Drama from CMU. He's a fabulous musician and has a ton of Broadway MD credits in shows like Chicago, Taboo, Brooklyn, Annie Get your Gun, Grease, in addition to his many conducting gigs with orchestras all over the country. If you google him, you'll probably find out a lot more detail about his experience.</p>

<p>OK -- lots of responses here, and as a pianist/musical director I'd like to add my two cents.</p>

<p>I was clasically trained from a very early age. This is a necessary and invaluable background. However, there are many things that a classical background will NOT teach you that you will need as an accompanist for musical theater or any other practical application. Among them: transposition, sightreading, reading chord symbols or a chart, and knowing when to "follow" a singer and when to "lead". Also something more intangible: realizing that your instrument is the background, not the focus of the performance. I'm sure there are exceptions, but you are more likely to learn these skills in a jazz format. Frankly, I learned most of these things on my own, because I had to when I started working professionally.</p>

<p>And I have to agree with those who commented that playing for musicals may not be steady work. However, if you have the skills to play in a pit band, you should have no trouble finding work as a pianist, particularly if you live in a well-populated area. I live in a very rural area, and I am able to work full-time as an accompanist for musicals and individuals, as a keyboard player in a rock band, as a soloist in restaurants, and as a teacher. I enjoy the variety.</p>

<p>As far as suggestions, one of the top schools I know of is the Berklee School in Boston. They have a much broader focus than many other schools, and have turned out many WORKING musicians. Check it out.</p>

<p>Berklee provides no classical training whatsoever. It is a fantastic school, for what it does, but in no way provides the instruction in classical performance that most musical directors want or need.</p>

<p>Westminster Choir College offers a BM in Music Theatre Piano Concentration, if that helps.</p>

<p>Allmusic -- I know. That was my point! My feeling is that classical training can be -- not always, but often -- rather one-sided. And really, how many job opportunities are there for strictly classical pianists? Because many pianists have already had that good classical background by the time they apply to college, through private instructors and summer camps, it may be a good idea to expand into another genre.</p>

<p>This thread touches on several things. </p>

<p>First, there is the OP's question. A person can become an accompanist in musical theater through various avenues. She could major in piano performance which will be classicial training usually (any pianist needs a classical background but they may have that prior to college and not necessarily need to major in that IN college). She could go to a school where she studies composition or jazz music. She doesn't even have to major in piano or music necessarily if she keeps up her piano skills and is engaged in doing accompaniment work and so forth. There is a piano accompaniment major at Shenandoah Conservatory and it was just mentioned that Westminster Choir College has a related degree. </p>

<p>Expanding beyond the OP's question since this thread is talking about piano accompaniment in MT and also musical directing.....ONE background that some who do this kind of work have is a BFA in MT. I would not suggest that to the OP as her D is not interested in singing, acting, dancing herself which is the bulk of a MT program. However, there are some who do a BFA in MT who have very strong piano backgrounds and music skills who later go on to be musical directors and/or accompanists. For example, a friend of my D's who gradauted CAP21 went on to be the pianist for the Wicked Tour upon graduation. She has several peers in her program at CAP21 who get professional work as MDs and/or accompanists. </p>

<p>My own D is in CAP21 studying MT with hopes to pursue a career on stage as a MT performer. However, all the while, she has worked significantly as a Musical Director, arranger, and accompanist including for pay. She is also a composer. She has an entire resume just for this aspect of her work that is not her acting resume. In fact, she feels that given the chancy odds with casting on a regular basis (once she graduates), she CAN get work earning professional fees as an MD and as an accompanist. She already gets this work without her degree and is turning down numerous jobs because she cannot fit in another thing and doesn't want to ONLY musically direct or accompany, since she is trying to train and be in productions on stage (which she is rehearsing for a couple of shows). She is currently the MD, as well as accompanist/arranger for a professional piece in NYC. She has been paid to be an accompanist for programs such as Vocal classes in NYU/Tisch/CAP21 pre-college. She was asked to be the paid accompanist for CAP21's professional musical theater classes. She keeps being asked to be a musical director for various shows both at school and in the city but has had to turn a lot down. She can earn good money doing this work. Last night, before going to two sets of rehearsals for the entire night, she gave a piano lesson in rock/pop/jazz to a teenager for $75/hour! A skilled musical director and/or accompanist can get work, as onstage mentions. She also plays in a band, can get gigs, or can perform solo in piano accompanying herself singing her own compositions and/or could do covers in a piano bar, for example. So, while she has a background in classical piano and jazz piano prior to college, she is not training on piano at college. But if one has the skills to musically direct, arrange, compose, or accompany, there is work to be had, and there are those with a BFA in MT who get that kind of work if they have those skills, even though they did not study a piano degree in college. </p>

<p>Also, you could major in something else and continue to take piano lessons on the side such as in jazz. My D has not taken Music Theory/Piano in her program as she placed out. So, she is not studying any piano classes for credit. However, she wants to have some private lessons with jazz piano (she did play piano in jazz band in HS) in NYC and was going to take such a lesson on her lunch break today but has a family obligation. But depending where the OP goes to college, she may be able to study anything, and still take piano lessons, as well as accompany productions on campus, etc.</p>

<p>A person studying classical piano or a person studying jazz music could also get into this field but would need to be simulataneously working on accompaniment projects or musical directing jobs. They don't have to get a degree in "accompaniment." They just have to have the skills. So, I can see someone with a piano or jazz or composition degree eventually being an accompanist or a person with a degree in musical theater who has the MD and piano skills to also go into that line of work. My D falls in this latter description and she is convinced that she will be able to get work upon graduation that is not waiting tables but can earn money doing the various musical directing and accompanying jobs she does now and more. People with such skills tend to be in demand in musical theater. Like onstage says, it may not be ONE full time job but a piecing together of various related jobs that pay a very decent hourly fee. It also has some flexibility for someone pursuing casting as they can fill in with jobs in MDing or accompanying or arranging or performing as a singer/pianist around their acting gigs. I am mentioning this as one avenue for this field but this doesn't apply to the OP whose D is not an actor/singer/dancer and so she would not get into this field through the BFA in MT path. </p>

<p>The OP should know that her D's skills may be in demand on certain college campuses that have student directed musicals that need an MD for example. If she is in a city, she may also find work as an accompanist.</p>

<p>I agree with onstage that Berklee would be an option. Most who go into such things already have a classical background and then could begin to focus on other genres. My D no longer plays classical but did for ten years and now plays musical theater, pop, rock, jazz.</p>

<p>Soozievt -- It was very interesting to read about your daughter. Her background is quite similar to mine, and I can honestly tell you that with my combination of skills, I have never had to wait on tables! Although I do prefer being a musical theater singer/actress, I have always been able to supplement my income by working as a pianist. I have often progressed from chorus member or pianist to MD, and from MD to leading roles -- or vice versa. I'm sure your D will do very well indeed. </p>

<p>Regarding RoselawnMom's original question, I would think that any college with a musical theater department would be thrilled to have an accomplished accompanist like her D. As MusThCC said, it probably would be best to contact schools individually to find out what would be the best fit for her skills. In some schools it may even be possible to create an individualized major.</p>