Piano son loves musical theatre

<p>I need some help. My S is a senior and until two years ago I thought he was headed for conservatory. At that time he fell in love with musical theatre, has been in many plays and gets paid for musical directing. He wants to continue to study classical piano, but also wants to do theatre. He plans to apply to IU, CMU, CCM, Ithaca, Penn State, and Oberlin. Does anyone know of other schools that might work for a musical theatre kid? He's not looking for a dual degree, but rather "majoring in music with an outside field", as some of the schools call it. We are in Ohio.</p>

<p>Part of the problem is many of these schools also have MT programs, which he is also planning on applying for, but which are extremely selective — they may audition 800 kids for 10 slots. MT schools will cast their kids rather than outside majors. So the ideal school does not have an MT program, but has a good theatre program AND an EXCELLENT piano performance program. Ideas?</p>

<p>Oberlin does not give a lot of support to their MT program. A couple of very popular teachers in that department were let go last year. MT there is not part of the Conservatory, does not have very good facilities and I hear rumors that they and the Conservatory do not get along very well. I suggest your son talk to some students in the program there before submitting the application.</p>

<p>My only advice is to stay away from Boston Conservatory, which has a well-publicized musical theater program. I don't know anyone who has had a good experience at BoCo.</p>

<p>Yes, you are right about Oberlin BassDad. My S has friends there who are involved in theatre and they talk of the frustrations. It seems that many music schools have musical theatre clubs that are totally run by students and get no support from the college. This is disappointing for my S who now is in professionally directed youth theatre productions.</p>

<p>I don't know anything about musical theater, but I noticed a large thread on the Elon site for this major. Several people there seemed very informed.</p>

<p>Piano/MT Mom--go over to the Musical Theatre Majors thread. You will find way more information than you ever dreamed of. Plan to spend a good chunk of time (hours) reading through all the posts that relate to your situation. I think anything you ask will have already been covered in depth there.</p>

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<p>This thread might help.</p>

<p>I have read (almost) all the MT thread, and you're right, it's a lot! It has been helpful with applying to MT programs, but I'm looking here for help with piano performance programs that also would allow him to pursue his MT interests.</p>

<p>I agree that your son needs a school with an excellent music program and without a BFA MT program. It is usually difficult for non-MT majors to be cast in productions at schools with top flight MT programs. However, it is not impossible. The school my D attends, Florida State, has open auditions for nearly all productions and does sometimes cast non-theatre majors. Florida State might be a good option for your son. It has an excellent music school. </p>

<p>Something that I think would be very valuable in furthering your son's aspirations would be to consider a voice minor, or at least taking some voice lessons while he is in college. If he is interested in music directing MT productions and coaching MT singers, a knowedge of singing will be extremely valuable. An acting class or two would also serve him well as would a dance class. </p>

<p>At some schools, pianists are hired to do vocal coaching, accompanying voice lessons, music directing musicals, teaching music theory classes for MT majors, and accompanying dance or movement classes. My former college roommate, for example, does vocal coaching, music directing, and has designed a music theory course specifically for MT majors at Penn State. She has done workshops in vocology to help her become more adept in working with singers. At my D's school, one of the staff pianists improvises the music for the department chair's dance/movement classes. A rudimentary knowledge of dance is very useful for that sort of work. (I worked as a ballet class accompanist for a number of years at CCM Prep and can safely say that the years I spent watching my D's dance classes were very helpful when I moved into the dance studio!)</p>

<p>CCM may or may not be a good place for your son. The piano program is excellent, however, theatrical productions are not open to non-majors. I do not believe that any of the theatre classes are available to non-majors. That's something I would ask about in e-mails to Aubrey Berg (MT chair) and Richard Hess (acting chair). Ballet classes offered through the dance department are usually closed to non-majors, unless the student has had significant prior dance experience. Diane Lala (MT dance instructor) usually does not allow non-MT majors in her dance classes, however, again, if a student has had siginificant prior dance training, she might allow it. A good option for students without prior dance training are the Prep Dept. dance classes. The Prep Dept. offers ballet classes and theatre dance classes for older beginners. If your son is interested in taking voice lessons he would need to find out if it would be possible to do so as a piano major. The school might ask that he take lessons outside his program of study through the prep department or through an outside arrangement with one of the voice faculty. (In H.S. my D studied with a member of the voice faculty who also taught privately. Her lessons did not go throught the Prep Dept.)</p>

<p>I know that CCM offers graduate assistantships to pianists who accompany for the MT program. As far as I know, undergraduate piano majors do not get assigned to the MT program, however, you might want to check it out.</p>

<p>I hope your son is able to find a school that fits the bill. Pianists can certainly have fulfilling careers in MT. My D's vocal coach in H.S. was CCM's MT music director for 10 years. He graduated from CCM with a BM in piano performance in 1977 and moved into a successful Broadway performing career. He returned to CCM as a faculty member about 10 years later. </p>

<p>Hope this helps a bit.</p>

<p>This is an interesting topic. I graduated with a BFA in MT and was also a piano player throughout college... (although not quite good enough to be a piano major- I lacked the classical skills) when I left school I made LOTS more money playing the piano (and singing/coaching) than I did in MT. </p>

<p>Your son will always be able to find employment in the theatre if he is a good piano player/musical director/coach or even playing auditions, etc.......... This is a great way to get to meet directors/casting agents etc. </p>

<p>I have also met some people who graduated with Piano Performance Degrees who can't play musical theatre music at all. They just don't have a feel for it....I am a vocal coach now...this is a little off topic, but I cannot believe how many singers who have graduated from BFA MT programs and CANNOT read music... how is it possible that they have a degree and don't know these basic skills? </p>

<p>I went to SUNY Fredonia which has a GREAT music department and a really good Theatre Department.</p>

<p>I guess my point is... If he wants to get a degree in MT that's great.... but he should keep up his piano skills... those skills will be more immediatly marketable when he graduates. His piano skills will be invaluable to him.</p>

<p>Also. I have had lots of students in BoCo and they had great experiences!</p>

<p>Good Luck!</p>

<p>Thanks for your thoughts. It's encouraging to hear from you all. It's good to hear that S's uniqueness may be a great asset rather than just presenting a constant challege with time and energy and now college searching. Also helpful to learn from you professional musicians who have worked in MT and can identify with his passion.</p>

<p>I second the notion about SUNY Fredonia . The cost may be cheaper for you even as an out-of-stater .
My D's freind has MT degree from Ithaca but as an unemployed actor in NYC , his piano -playing skills got him sustainable jobs playing the organ for churches & weddings instead of waiting on tables .</p>

<p>My son already makes $25 an hour doing accompaniment at age 16. I look at this skill as his "bread and butter" money, because he sight reads phenomenally, and this is apparently a very marketable skill, or so I hear.</p>

<p>I responded to your query on the MT Forum.</p>