<p>Also, for those who have a strong desire to become a doctor, are highly motivated and only want to become doctors, they will be to the point of commiting suicide once they find out they weren't good enough to get into a med school. Hopes and dreams crushed.</p>
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<p>If you don't make it, you've just wasted 7 years and have no marketable skills. If you don't make it in the US, you've spent four years obtaining one of the world's premiere BS's.</p>
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<p>And if you're going to commit suicide over medical school rejections:
1.) You'll probably do them over residency rejections too.
2.) You have other underlying issues that need to be addressed.</p>
<p>Medical school is 5 years straight out of high school, not 7. Here, you would be finishing up 1st year by that time. And in the worst case scenario, you will get a internal med/family practice residency.</p>
<p>You cannot practice in the US whether you graduated from a US med school or a foreign med school if you do not do your residency in the US. Simply holding a MD is not enough.</p>
<p>"Also, for those who have a strong desire to become a doctor, are highly motivated and only want to become doctors, they will be to the point of commiting suicide once they find out they weren't good enough to get into a med school. Hopes and dreams crushed."</p>
<p>lol Did you really just write this?</p>
<p>That is NOT the worst case scenario. The worst case scenario is that you don't get good grades and therefore don't take the USMLE; or don't pass the USMLE and don't apply to residency (40%); or apply to residency and don't get admitted anywhere (50%).</p>
<p>These almost certainly cover 75% of the students described. Getting into any residency in the states -- at all -- is the BEST case scenario. Not the worst.</p>
<p>yeah and i'm not talking about ppl who go to college to party, have fun, and who regard college as the best 4 years of life because i could honestly care less about that. It applies to the few ppl that actually work hard in hopes of getting into med school and who dont change their career path based off experiences and the sort in college.</p>
<p>"Medical school is 5 years straight out of high school, not 7."</p>
<p>That's precisely why it makes more sense to go the US route. At age 19 or 20, you're going to be studying like a med student if you choose to go to an international med school. If you are prepared to study like that at age 19, THEN APPLY THAT MENTALITY TO COLLEGE!!! Med students study an insane amount. Unless you are incredibly unintelligent, there's no way you can study like a med student in a US college and not achieve a 3.6. </p>
<p>And, no, the worst thing that can happen to a FMG is not "just getting into internal med or peds." It's not matching into any residency.</p>
<p>Page 11. US FMG's and non-US FMG's both have a roughly 50% failure rate at matching into ANYTHING.</p>
<p>what's the failure rate for US graduates?</p>
<p>You can see the data right there, can't you? It's about 6%. And those 6% can "scramble."</p>
<p>that's pleasing but the 94% comes after med school, the chances of getting into which are 50%.</p>
<p>Odds are much better than going overseas, and fallback plan is better than going overseas. There are no advantages to studying outside the US.</p>
<p>"that's pleasing but the 94% comes after med school, the chances of getting into which are 50%."</p>
<p>That's rather faulty logic. As you can see, DO's do better at matching into allopathic residencies than IMG's. Obviously, you can practice medicine as a physician through an osteopathic residency as well (which most DO's do). Thus, the alternative to getting into a US allopathic med school would be to go to a DO school. If you count both DO and MD schools, more than 50% of all applicants get into med school. The requirements for DO schools are already fairly low (3.4, 25ish). If you can't even make those numbers, you seriously have to reconsider whether you are cut out to be a doctor.</p>
<p>Secondly, if you are smart enough to get through a foreign med school by age 23 and to pass the USMLE's (which you will need to do to even be eligible to apply for US residencies), you are probably smarter/more hardworking than most of the med school applicants who don't make it into med school. You could've probably made it the normal route anyway.</p>
<p>Going to the Carribean or to Poland for med school is a last-ditch effort by applicants who've already gone through college and know their stats are not good enough to get into US med schools. Last ditch. As in the last thing you want to do. The worst case scenario. The hardest route. Why you would choose this route before even entering college is beyond me.</p>
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<p>HERE it's seven years of med school, then 2 year preparing your Bachelor's degree, then about 3 more preparing your Doctor's degree. So I guess it's, technically, a total of 12 year before you can actually do anything useful.</p>
<p>Why is med school so long?</p>
<p>beats me :confused: that's just how it is over here...</p>
<p>on college apps, it usually has a box that says
"Black or African American, non-Hispanic"</p>
<p>and according to the American Heritage Dictionary,
African means:</p>
<p>adj. Of or relating to Africa or its peoples, languages, or cultures.
n.<br>
1. A native or inhabitant of Africa.
2. A person of African descent.</p>
<p>So i don't understand why the OP can not get the benefits of affirmative action being egyptian (which is IN AFRICA) and then argue if the question arises afterwards</p>
<p>I mean, best of luck. I just don't think colleges will give it to him. (They'll probably use his name to evaluate.) He's almost certainly considered Middle Eastern, not African. Is it ridiculous? Of course it's ridiculous. It's college admissions.</p>
<p>Colleges want blacks. So, while technically a white person from South Africa or an Egyptian are "Africans," they are not the sort colleges want.</p>
<p>haha, i guess that's true.
but saying that egyptian isn't african is like saying Indians aren't asians... lol</p>
<p>actually, Egypt is considered a middle eastern, or arab, country, not an african one (as well as the whole Sahara Desert area)...so I don't think Egyptian can be african american..</p>