<p><em>sigh</em> </p>
<p>Just a quick question- Billy are you a girl or a boy?</p>
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<p>Some draw a distinction between two cases here:</p>
<p>1) Direct abortion as termination of the problem
2) Abortion as a side effect, e.g. removing a cancerous part of the uterus that includes the unborn baby</p>
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I am male. I hope this does not turn into a “Then you should have no say in what a woman does with her body” comment, because it is the duty of every human being to ensure the human rights of every other human being.</p>
<p>No. My point was going to be- you’re never going to have to make that decision. You can say all the theoretical crap you want but you will NEVER be in a position to actually make that decision. </p>
<p>So you can theorize all you want. Tell a woman what circumstances she can and cannot decide what she does or doesn’t do. Etc, etc. </p>
<p>Ultimately you will NEVER have to make that decision and you cannot know what it’s like to HAVE to make that decision or to be in that position. </p>
<p>This is why it is so much easier for men to be black and white about this issue. It’s much, much harder for women. </p>
<p>I can personally tell you that as a woman who has been raped, I could not ever carry a rape baby to term. I have to live with the scars of what happened to me- would you really make me carry that child for 9 months? A constant reminder of what happened to me? If so, then you (not Billy, a general you) are sick. I’m sorry if you think that I am killing a fetus, but I am really getting rid of something that never should have happened. If you believe that God put that baby in me, then he is a sick ■■■■■■■ for letting that fetus result from my rape. And if it is merely a result of science, then I am not technically killing something that is living.</p>
<p>That’s all.</p>
<p>But aren’t all living things a result of science (and God, if you choose to believe that)? The sins of the father are not the sins of the child. I knew a girl whose mother was abducted and gang raped, then became pregnant. She never knew who the father was, but even though the baby was a product of rape, she kept her. Knowing the girl, and knowing that she would have been killed using your argument, I cannot say that it would have been okay to do so. Just because someone has been greatly wronged does not mean that she should greatly wrong another. Even if that human being should not have been created, it is a human being now, and should not be killed.</p>
<p>^^Trolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, in case anyone hasn’t figured this out.</p>
<p>^I don’t think Romani was saying that the child is going to be ‘evil’. She was (I think) saying that rape is a traumatic experience and being reminded about it for 9 months at minimum is not very pleasant.</p>
<p>^^ That was not my point at all. </p>
<p>My point was that you will never be in that situation. And if that mom managed to have that child, then more power to her. But most women cannot do that. Rape is… hell on earth.</p>
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Why do you assume I am “liberal”? Rather, I am socialist. Okay, so I know a ton of conservatives that smoke marijuana and you know a ton of liberals. Sooo, maybe people of both groups do and do not? And I’m a hippie now? Don’t get this part, but I assume it is a reference to the oil spill. There has been a government response, though BP should have been taken out of the picture from day 1.</p>
<p>Sympathizing with the Confederacy is a terrible thing. Unless you are proud of a tradition of slavery. You’re right, tons of hypocritical people claim to follow the Bible and don’t. Example: Jesus said that if there is a man dressed richly and a man dressed poorly, not to treat the man dressed richly better, for it is he who oppresses you. Sarah Palin (Mrs. “Christian nation”) spent $150,000 on her wardrobe and makeup for the 2008 election. Also, Jesus said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Naturally, you believe it is impossible, or nearly so, for a rich man to enter heaven, correct?</p>
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You responded to a blatant ■■■■■. -.-</p>
<p>Ok, I am so done here lmao.</p>
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I am terribly sorry that anyone has to undergo such a terrible thing. And yes, even if I was raped, I could never be pregnant. However, that does not make my views on human rights invalid. The child should not be killed because of what his/her father did. The child can be put up for adoption, and the woman could receive psychological during her pregnancy.</p>
<p>■■■■■ IN THE DUNGEON</p>
<p>but if you’re gonna ■■■■■, don’t equate the confederacy with the south. I am from the south, and confederate flags are basically signs saying “white trash here”</p>
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Nope, just those ignorant enough to believe that slavery and/or racism is okay. I live in Florida, incidentally, and see too many Confederate naval jacks (the popular “Confederate flag” isn’t actually the flag, but the naval jack). Haha, truly, I must be ignorant for disagreeing with the Confederacy. Not quite sad, and not especially little.</p>
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Haha, couldn’t help myself.</p>
<p>@Billy-</p>
<p>No really, don’t worry about the terrible pain you’re putting the mother through. Seriously, don’t worry about the hell you’re making her relive every time she feels that fetus kick.</p>
<p><em>sigh</em></p>
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That would be a deeply saddening situation. However, that does not justify the destruction of a human life. Why add murder to rape?</p>
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<p>None of that matters with respect to the abortion.</p>
<p>^^ Why add suicide to rape?</p>
<p>Oftentimes, that is what rape victims resort to. </p>
<p>I’m done though. Really now. It’s sickening to make that woman go through hell for 9 months. And you will never, ever know the physical, emotional, and mental scars that a rape causes. If you did, you would NEVER suggest making that pain worse.</p>
<p>And Baelor- I have a few choice words I would like to say to you. But I won’t. It’s not worth it.</p>
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Actually, I would say it makes the woman’s situation much more regrettable and her actions much more understandable than if she was just using it as birth control. However, that does not make it right. It just shows that it would be the product of psychological distress.</p>
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It is sickening to destroy an innocent human being.</p>
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<p>You’re right. THE MOTHER is the innocent human being. </p>
<p>Or did you forget that? YOU ARE DESTROYING A HUMAN BEING- YOU ARE DESTROYING THE MOTHER. </p>
<p>UGH!</p>
<p>Sorry, you hit too much of a nerve.</p>
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The mother is an innocent human being. It is horribly tragic that she was raped. That is among the worst things (if not the worst, along with murder and slavery) that one human being can do to another. However, just because one human being was devastated does not mean another should be killed. Killing the baby will not make the mother forget what happened, it will just kill another human being, denying him or her a shot at life.</p>
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The mother would not be destroyed if she was unable to kill her unborn child. If she were to commit suicide, that would be another tragedy added to this whole situation. However, that does not mean that she should have the right to destroy another human being.</p>