<p>Who are all these idiots who payed 1000$ to get perfect scores?</p>
<p>I always hear about them in Anti-SAT arguements, but I've never met one, or anyone who I'd even be clse to be considered one</p>
<p>I'm not someone who scored lowly on the SAT...I haven't even gotten my FIRST SAT score back yet, but I honestly think that the SAT is illogical. If its primary goal is to measure intelligence, wouldn't it make more since to review the IQ test we took in elementary school? I mean, there was no prep and little room for outside factors to take away from the validity of the scores.</p>
<p>I personally know a few people would did that habdragon. The first that comes to mind is a guy by the name of Bryan...he graduated from my igh school last year. His parents hired an SAT tutor for him which took his SAT score from somewhere below 1200 (I know this because we have a "1200 club") to a 1450. He is now attending Duke; intended major being Biomedical Engineering.</p>
<p>To people like andrw313, the SAT measures how well you take the stupid test of tricks. How can you say that people who dont work hard will never score significantly higher. Ive had quite a journey and many adventures with the collegeboard. I actually prove them wrong that the SAT is a reasoning test. When I took the SAT in 10th grade, I scored a 920! And I was an honors student and all that crap. Did this mean I was stupid? Of course not. I worked hard as hell and at the end of my junior year, I pulled off a 1330(2000). Yeah some friggin measure of intelligence!!!! A friggin 410 pt difference in a 15 month time period. Oh, this may be low by cc standards. I dont care. My journey says this: the SAT does not measure reasoning or intelligence, just how well you are at sitting still for 4 loooong hours. So think about that next time you insult kids with 1000s.</p>
<p>sat does not measure intelligence at all...when there is a 150 point difference dependant upon income bracket, it cannot be purely intelligent based.</p>
<p>I am a korean male. I know many asian/korean students from my area who has scored perfects on the old SAT by going to tutors. I myself went to a tutor, but sadly did not improve as much as I wanted to.</p>
<p>Here is a quote:</p>
<p>"You must realize that honorary degrees are given generally to people whose SAT scores were too low to get them into schools the regular way. As a matter of fact, it was my SAT scores that led me into my present vocation in life, comedy."
--Neil Simon</p>
<p>Nobody outside of some high school students thinks that the SAT is an intelligence test. Educators don't. The College Board doesn't. Psychologists don't. Mensa was actually accepting the test, but stopped in the mid 1990's. This whole conversation is ridiculous.</p>
<p>SAT measures your ability to reason and attempts to predict how you will do on a college level. Plain and simple.</p>
<p>However, study your socks off and you can LEARN to reason. The SAT is predictable and that's why you can 'learn the test.'</p>
<p>It does as long as the test takers have good enough vocabularies.</p>
<p>I haven't read the rest of the posts, but I don't like the SAT's. I did very well on them without studying much at all, but I don't think they measure anything except maybe your test taking skills. They definitely don't measure intelligence, especially since there are quite a few different types of intelligence.</p>
<p>I think different parts of the test measure intelligence better. The writing section is a little ridiculous, because other than the essay, it asks you GRAMMAR questions which is, no matter what people say, not at all an indicator for intelligence. The math section requires you to know certain tricks and techniques, so I don't really believe the math in the math section is a very accurate way of testing math ability. I personally think the critical reading section is a good indicator of analytical ability, which is part of intelligence. The majority of the critical reading is not about vocabulary, it is mostly about how well you critically analyze the passages, and whether you are able to grasp the hidden meanings and nuances of text. I think analytical reasoning and critical thinking is definitely a part of intelligence, and I personally think that anyone who is smart is good at critical thinking.</p>
<p>Too bad the tiltle of this thread uses the word intelligence. A much more important question is whether the SAT, taken together with GPA, class rank, SAT IIs, APs, whatever, has something to do with academic aptitude. The answer is yes. Knowing some vocabulary and basic math are part of the base information required for inate academic aptitude to be measured. Not that the SAT is perfect, of course, but what is better? See my earlier post regarding admission based on achievement.</p>
<p>it shows how well you are at mastering your talent at high strees moments in time.... it dosent however show who "you" are in any way just what words you are able to memorize and how good you have payed attention in math...i think more attention should be given to SAT II that can shoe ppl's others abilites besides just math and reading comp</p>
<p>Intelligence is helpful, but not required. All you really need to do well is a lot of drill work.</p>
<p>SAT meaures how well you guess in a given time limit</p>
<p>sounds a lot like sour grapes.</p>
<p>How the hell could a student good at analyzing answer the CR questions without an enormous vocabulary?</p>
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I can't believe I'm posting on this thread again, but here goes. I don't know how anyone who has seen the type of questions on the SAT can possibly think it is an intelligence test. Do you remember the test?</p>
<p>The verbal might be some type of intelligence measure because more intellegent people read more, but how could it be anything remotely like an IQ test. It is reading comprehension and vocabulary. The more somebody reads, the better they will do. A secondary factor is how much you have studied the vocab lists to get the nuances of the words.</p>
<p>I have a math degree, and I am particularly offended by the math portion. The language used on the test is that of a math major, but the way to score high is to take shortcuts and tricks that really offend a mathematician and only work on multiple choice questions. For example, a question might be something like: If you triple the diameter of a sphere, what happens to the volume? The obvious way to do it is to compare the two ratios, but the high scorer is taught to plug in numbers and then pick whichever of the multiple choice answers works. This is not a proof, and it is just stupid to base a test on this kind of bull hockey.</p>
<p>Someone earlier said that the SAT was a reasoning test. I agree with that with the caveat that it only measures the kind of reasoning that enables people to do well on multiple choice tests. As in everything else, you can learn this skill and some people are better at it than others. </p>
<p>Anyway, anything that you can learn and get better at is not a measure of native intelligence.</p>
<p>1) If the SAT was a TRUE indicator of intelligence, you wouldn't be able to improve on it through one class of "test-taking skills." </p>
<p>2) If the SAT measured future performance in college, ESL students wouldn't succeed because they have below average Critical Reading scores. </p>
<p>3) The SAT doesn't measure common sense, logic in the real world, or any form of social skills. </p>
<p>4) The SAT isn't geared to anything that every single high school student should have learned. </p>
<p>5) Many of my peers received 5's on their AP English Exams and average scores on the CR portion of the SAT. The Educational Testing Service can't even present a correlation within its own tests. </p>
<p>6) Although you may not believe my reasoning for my beliefs concerning the SAT, The College Board couldn't even prove that their tests reflected the future success of students or aptitude or intelligence.</p>