hanna …you using that term " Haters gonna hate"
on a college campus would be considered cultural appropriation" or some such thing.you would need to be sent for a re-education seminar.
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“a flyer was sent to students in early October this year with suggestions for how to evaluate how others might perceive and be impacted by Halloween costume choices. They are proactive.”
I highly doubt that. you are dealing with a completely different type of student at these schools. and I doubt a flyer is what changed anything.
Yawn; what does “there were Jews in the confederacy” have to do with the question I posed, which was “how come they’re not demanding the Ford Engineering Center be stripped of the Ford name”?
And duh, of course evidence of a potential hate crime is more serious than I’m-so-traumatized-by-walking-past-the-Ford-center when HEnry Gord has been dead for how many years. One is a potential threat. The other isn’t.
Just a funny story here (hopefully this is just a light-hearted funny story here.)
During the gap year, DS happened to have an African American coworker in the same lab (I heard he actually came from a family in a “slightly lower than middle class” background, rather than a “black but still privileged” background. Forgot the details, but his parents may be public bus driver/hairdresser – not very sure here. DS actually thought they have many things in common between them.)
They often ate lunch together. During one lunch, there were many international students/post-docs who sat at the next table and spoke with each other in their native language (which DS happened to know but somehow DS never befriended them) tead of English. It happened they said a word that sound like the “N” word and DS’s friend became very uncomfortable thinking that they referred to him using the “N” word. DS happened to know that language and explained to him that they did not use the “N” word. (The word they used was actually “that” in their language.)
The tension was defused. But the lesson here is that, because of their growing-up experience, African Americans could be very sensitive to something that people in other background may not even notice,
@pizzagirl swastika in dirty window, swastika in poop…those are the examples I gave, the fiance between nw and mizzou.
Fiance= difference.
My language has an “n-word” that sounds the same but it does not have any negative meaning whatsoever. Just used to describe people native to Africa. The word “black” however is widely used to insult some other minorities.
Survival guide for our recent US arrivals includes taking a shower and using deodorant daily and never use n-word in any language.
I suspect that many languages may have similar sounding n-word that does not have any negative baggage associated with it. So some tensions may be completely unfounded.
Anyway, there should also be a call that the number of black graduates in each major and faculty in each department should reflect their percentage in the US population.
How do you know it’s academic rigor. The main reason students fail to graduate in 4 years is for economic reasons. Families that need support. Trying to work 20+ hours a week. Colleges rarely accept students who aren’t capable of doing the academics, but they frequently fail to appreciate what a burden it can be for a low SES kid to provide the student contribution. The Yale thread had a good link about what a burden that can be.
Did not seem to be a big burden for Yale protesters if they did not include elimination of student contribution in the list of their demands. They were more worried about building a monument in front of Sterling Library.
Did Tafts demonstrators request student contribution to be eliminated?
Because while Jewish-Americans were subjected to discriminatory treatment and hate crimes, they weren’t relegated to being an enslaved class anywhere to the same degree AAs were or continued to be perceived as such even after the Civil War ended as illustrated for instance by Jim Crow laws.
In fact, some like Judah P. Benjamin or some Jewish men who took up arms on behalf of the Confederacy and its pro-slavery cause were themselves part of the Southern White establishment which actively participated in the enslavement and continued subjugation of African-Americans. Whether enslaved or sometimes through impressment of free Blacks as slaves as happened in the antebellum period or during Civil War battles such as Gettysburg where Confederate forces impressed captured free Blacks from PA and sent them down south as slaves.
As a key member of Jefferson Davis’ administration, Judah P. Benjamin along with Davis and members of the Confederate government, military forces, and the southern White establishment own responsibility for all that even if they…or their descendants are unwilling to acknowledge that.
It is complicated by the fact that many of their descendants are black …
“Anyway, there should also be a call that the number of black graduates in each major and faculty in each department should reflect their percentage in the US population.”
It is a good idea, but without fixing the problem of education at the primary and secondary level, it is not realistic to achieve this at all colleges. However, it is a great goal to work toward.
zobroward has indicated hillsdale is a wonderful college. However it is probably the most racist college in america Their President has said that they are unfairly criticized because they dont have enough “dark ones”. Caltech has been unable to find black students . However Stanford does not seem to have any trouble. Professor John Johnson left Caltech because of their lack of diversity. He is now a full professor at Harvard and has spoke critically of caltech and their race policies
“Anyway, there should also be a call that the number of black graduates in each major and faculty in each department should reflect their percentage in the US population.”
The thing is, you can’t force people to major in subjects they do not care about. I think that you can try to admit a percentage that is similar to the population, but then the students should be free to choose or change majors. You can’t demand that x% of them have to study this or that.
@JustOneDad: I have no doubt they don’t think of it that way, but that is what they’re asking. There’s a certain amount of money in any given school’s fund, part of which is tuition and part of which is endowment (the ratio varies by school). These are all non-profits, meaning all of that money is allocated. If these students reallocate money to themselves (whether tuition or endowment; the money is fungible), then that money has to come from somewhere else. Either the schools cut some other program or they pass the increased cost on to the non-subsidized students. Both are forms of cross-subsidy.
@cobrat: There’s a fun day camp at Birkenau, the (still living) survivors of which may disagree that Jews weren’t enslaved.
So what, Cobrat? I’m not a descendant of Judah Benjamin. My relatives all came over after the Civil War and all to the north. Are you suggesting I - or Jews today - bear some collective guilt because some guy in the Conf leadership was Jewish? Seems awfully racist to suggest I bear any kind of kinship.
“zobroward has indicated hillsdale is a wonderful college. However it is probably the most racist college in america Their President has said that they are unfairly criticized because they dont have enough “dark ones”.”
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Getting into Caltech or similar merit only colleges removes the question mark of “did minority academic accommodations assist you in gaining admission ?” from the applicant. Some minority candidates would value that on a personal level.
I believe there have been recent URM CC posters who were admitted to Caltech, which would indicate they kicked butt academically.
“Professor John Johnson left Caltech because of their lack of diversity. He is now a full professor at Harvard and has spoke critically of caltech and their race policies”
Professor Johnson’s blog posts on indicate he is an strong adherent of “white privilege” theory.
His criticism seemed rather measured which is somewhat refreshing.
Still this seems like a ideological mismatch considering their admissions policies. In the meantime I’m sure he’s happy he’s got a better position (leadership) at Harvard.
And his teaching at Caltech probably didn’t hurt his bona fides.
@Ultrahumanite, Hillsdale may have been founded on egalitarian principles, but do an image search for Hillsdale and I think you’ll see why the Michigan DoE was concerned. For instance, here’s the football team.
http://www.heckenlively-photo.com/Hillsdale-College-Sports-2012/Mens-Football/2012-08-22-Hillsdale-College/
What makes you think this is the main reason? The much more common reasons (regardless of race) for failing is motivation, study habits and academic preparedness.
Using Yale as an example (IPEDS data), net price is less than $7k a year for those with incomes of less than $75K a year, less than $4k a year for those with incomes of less than $30K a year. Low SES students would find it’s far more affordable than most public universities.
Edit: Since this is a Princeton thread, I should have used them as an example. Princeton is even more affordable for low SES students coming in at less than $6K a year (for those with incomes less than $75K a year) and about $3,6K a year for those with incomes less than $30K.