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<p>I really can't see Princeton being better than Cornell in undergrad engineering. I know Princeton is really good for graduate engineering (I'd say around 10-15), but I'm talking about just undergrad.</p>
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<p>well, u.s. news has separate rankings for undergraduate and graduate engineering programs, and in the undergrad rankings, cornell is #10 and princeton is #11. yale, if memory serves, lags well behind in the 40's.</p>
<p>... and Swarthmore doesn't appear in them at all, even though it sends its engineering grads onto the top engineering grad schools in greater number than almost any other program out there. The undergraduate USNWR are heavily biased by program size. Incidentally that may also be why you see Cornell above Princeton in them. Princeton only #11? I would say it's definitely top five if not better. The quality-based rankings (posted above) are more accurate, I would argue.</p>
<p>I forgot to include Cornell. I think it would be around the #7 spot. </p>
<p>Princeton is a great school. The engineering program is very good... there is no doubt about that.</p>
<p>A lot of times, rankings are splitting hairs... and I don't see Princeton in a different league as the big hitters but at places like MIT and Mudd, engineering is a major focus at the school.</p>
<p>Thanks for all the replies! So I think most people here generally agree that Princeton is a top-10 engineering school. I have a few more questions.</p>
<p>1) What GPA do you need to get into top engineering grad school from Princeton? (MIT, Stanford, etc.)
2) How is taking the Integrated Science program via engineering route?</p>
<p>Thanks! :)</p>
<p>Hey. I'm a rising senior in HS, and I'm interested in Computer Science/Engineering. When I visited Princeton, the program looked great - except we were toured by an ORFE student who really did know much about the other departments. -_-; </p>
<p>Out of curiosity, does anyone know roughly how many girls are in the Princeton undergrad engineering program? (As a female engineering student, this is actually a pretty important issue.)</p>
<p>it depends on the major. There are VERY few women in CS (although there are several women faculty members). More women are in chem-e, civ-e, mae. Not very many are in ELE. I think that a decent number are in ORFE</p>
<p>In 2006, ~30% of BSE degrees conferred were to women
In 2005, the number was ~36%</p>
<p>One little word of caution interpreting the above data, though: these are the degrees given to the classes that graduated in 2005, 2006, etc. Since then, there've been a number of changes, including a greater emphasis on engineering (especially getting women into the field) and a new dean of admissions. The numbers for '08, '09, and '10 may thus be pretty different.</p>
<p>Also, like ec1234 notes, more relevant might be the particular field of engineering you're looking at. While majors like ORFE might be close to 50/50, CS isn't known as a hotbed of women. This generally seems reflective of a national trend in computer science. The NYT actually had an interesting piece on this:</p>
<p>This year SEAS is about 45% female, your comments about CS are on the money apparently.</p>
<p>Forget the rankings. Princeton engineering is actually one of the best programs in the US and offers excellent preparation for graduate school as it focuses much more on engineering science/mathematics than other more application/industry-oriented school. In fact, I think the level of math/science training you will get at Princeton engineering is second only to Caltech maybe in the US.</p>
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<p>i'd say princeton engineering is around top 10...</p>
<p>My Overall Undergrad Ranking for Engineering (deviance from USWNR):</p>
<h1>1- MIT, HMC, Olin (0,0, ?)</h1>
<h1>4- Caltech, Stanford (+5,-1)</h1>
<h1>6- UC Berkeley (-3)</h1>
<h1>7- Rose Hulman, U Mich (-6,+2)</h1>
<h1>9- CMU, USC, Purdue (-3,-2,+3)</h1>
<h1>12- UCLA, Princeton (+4,+6)</h1>
<h1>14- UTexAustin (-3)</h1>
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<p>I don't think you can really compare LACs like HMC, Rose-Hulman and Olin with research universities. They are so different in nature that they are not directly comparable. </p>
<p>In any case, I don't know what makes HMC or Rose-Hulman so great for engineering. I am not aware of faculty from those colleges serving in editorial boards of major journals or technical committees of major professional societies. In fact, I hardly see a paper from HMC, Rose-Hulman or Olin in any major engineering conference. I don't know how those schools do either in terms of industry recruiting.</p>
<p>If you go to Princeton for example, you'll get small classes, LAC-like attention to undergrads and, at the same time, you will be taught by professors who are top researchers in their fields and will write you great letters of recommendation. </p>
<p>On the other hand, if you go to a industry-oriented school like CMU, you will have tons of job offers from employers like Google, Microsoft or Intel in addition to, if you work with the right prof as an undergraduate intern, also
great letters of recommendation for grad school (CMU faculty includes for example former editors-in-chief of all 3 major IEEE journals on signal processing : Tsuhan Chen, Jose Moura, and Jelena Kovacevic).</p>
<p>"In any case, I don't know what makes HMC or Rose-Hulman so great for engineering."</p>
<p>Go to a career fair at Rose-Hulman and you will see. Better yet talk to some of the students/alumni about what they are doing..</p>
<p>Or Olin....well, after graduating from there, my daughter's doing grad work at MIT. I think that's a pretty acceptable result, even by CC poster standards.</p>
<p>princeton provides Aeronautical engineering courses........Can anyone give me some ideas about other colleges providing Aeronautical engineering course???????</p>
<p>we Princetonians we hail in every subject. I made a right choice to enroll at Princeton , I had no clue we were this good!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Ummm, well, let me say this... All the top employers recruit here. Google, Microsoft, Merck, Bristol Myers Squibb, etc. There are more important considerations than USNWR rankings. Much more important.</p>
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<p>And you don't think the top employers also recruit at MIT, Caltech, Olin, Mudd, Cornell, Rose, etc. ? Top employers also recruit at every major state school. That doesn't necessarily mean that every major state school has a stellar engineering program.</p>
<p>I'm not saying they don't. I'm just saying not to sweat the details. They don't matter in the long run. Connecting with a professor who's doing research that you're really excited about is more important than who's ranked what in telecommunications and network optimization research.</p>
<p>Guys, let's look at the big picture. A degree from Princeton is a degree from Princeton. A degree from Cornell is a degree from Cornell. Never mind whether it's engineering or in the A.B. program. Same goes for Stanford and all the other so-called "top" undergrad engineering programs.</p>
<p>I'm not saying that Princeton is better than these schools; rather, the institution you attend is much more important than what type of engineering you're in.</p>
<p>Yes, a degree from (fill in the blank) is a degree from (fill in the blank). I agree.</p>
<p>Considering that we are talking about the quality of (fill in the blank), and your argument is:</p>
<p>A degree from (fill in the blank) is a degree from (fill in the blank). In your case, you filled in the blank with Princeton. I agree, a degree from Princeton is a degree from Princeton. It certainly is not a degree from a different school.</p>
<p>However, I THINK you're wanting us to infer that Princeton is in some way superior to, say Georgia Tech, even if you recieve a degree in Electrical Engineering. I think not. As always in life, it all depends. I would take a look at hiring a Ga. Tech alum before a Princeton one in my field.</p>
<p>That's a good point. I'm not an engineer but I have heard that Georgia Tech, for instance, gives a great undergraduate engineering education, as does a place like Harvey Mudd.</p>
<p>But many college kids don't necessarily pursue their major/concentration for a career. If they don't, they're better off getting a reputable "non-specialized degree" from a place like Princeton, where as an engineer no one will fault you for choosing there over Harvey Mudd. </p>
<p>The reverse is not true though; to reuse a previous example, many non-engineers have either A) never heard of Harvey Mudd or B) don't appreciate the value of instruction in engineering they provide. Georgia Tech would probably be placed in the second category. So in those cases, the engineer who becomes an aspiring-investment banker before graduating won't benefit from engineers (like you presumably) who know the strengths of a school like Georgia Tech.</p>