Quite confused

<p>Forgive me if I've misplaced this thread. I'm not sure if I would qualify as an international student, a transfer, or what. I was born in the United States, but moved to South America (Uruguay, specifically) and am attending high school here. I moved when I was 11 or so.</p>

<p>So yes. I'm not yet in college but I am already anxious about it, as I wish to receive my higher education in the US. I have a few questions as I'm not very savvy on how exactly college works:</p>

<p>a) Will I be considered an international student or will I only have to grapple with out-of-state student fees?</p>

<p>b) How will my GPA work? The grade system here is different. Grades go from 1-12, 12 being the equivalent of an A+/100%, and at the end of the year are made into an average. All classes are worth the same amount of credits. There are no electives until my 5th year (high school here consists of 7th-12th), where I choose an "orientation" that is designed to prepare me for whatever path I would take at university should I choose to attend here. My Uruguayan GPA, according to a calculator I found online, is 4.0 but I don't know how much that will be worth in the States.</p>

<p>c) Would it be wise to attend community college first, both to re-acclimate to living in the US and to have grades received under the American system to put forth in my search for scholarships, loans, grants, acceptance into schools, etc? I've heard that some schools consider the courses offered at community colleges to be easier and it can be difficult to get in, but I'm not sure how accurate that is, and I have no other option really as I will probably be relying on a great deal of financial support to begin with.</p>

<p>Much thanks to anyone who can clear up some of my doubts, or even just direct me to someone who can.</p>

<p>I’ll let others comment on your status as American or international (I believe if you have a US passport you won’t be considered international, although since you’re not a resident, you will have to pay out-of-state tuition - which is generally the same as tuition for international students: about twice the amount paid by in-state’ers.)</p>

<p>American schools will evaluate your GPA and courses. They will also compare your grades/scores against other international students from your country and overseas - you’re not really competing for admission against American students but other internationals. </p>

<p>Attending a community college has its benefits and its negatives. The pluses are that you’ll save money and probably adjust quicker to the US system since cc is usually less intense and competitive than universities. The negatives are financial: there’s little if any FA in community colleges for international students. And there’s little if any financial aid for transfer students at universities. If you need FA, and are a very good student with good SAT, etc., scores, you’re better off applying to 4 year schools where your odds of getting some money is much greater. </p>

<p>The big issue for students – especially foreign students – in the US is money. Have a discussion with your parents what they can afford to spend per year. Keep in mind tuition goes up every year, in some schools as much as 10% annually.</p>

<p>As far as I know, if you have a green card or are a US citizen (u have a passport right since you are born in the US), then you are treated as a domestic applicant. My friend who is a US citizen but lives abroad in my country for more than 10 years applied to college and they considered her an american. Though from research with her, some colleges may consider the term International differently so you may want to double check it on their websites. </p>

<p>Also, attending CC as Kat points out may not be so beneficial in terms of F-aid, but most of the time, even with financial aid I noticed Community colleges are still cheaper especially when you are not the resident of the state. Then again, it also depends on where you want to apply to. For instance, most top private colleges do not have in-state/ out of state tuition thing. Similarly, most top private colleges have very tough competition for transfers. Sum it all up, if you think you are ok with state colleges and think you won’t get much grants/scholarship, go for CC and then transfer. If you want HYPSM or top liberal arts, you may want to apply as a freshman since competition is much less.</p>

<p>I try to avoid the “domestic vs international” debate altogether because it has different meanings in different contexts. For financial aid purposes, an international student is one who is not eligible for federal financial aid. For academic purposes, an international student is one who was educated abroad. For statistical purposes, an international student is a “nonresident” alien.</p>

<p>The most important news is that US citizens are eligible for federal financial aid regardless of where they live. Depending on the financial situation of your family, you could be eligible for up to $5,500 in Pell Grants, $4,000 in Federal Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grant Grant and $5,500 in subsidized loans. </p>

<p>Federal financial aid and college-administered aid (in the form of need-based grants or merit-based scholarships) will probably account for most of the assistance that you will receive. As the two previous posters have said, you have two options: you can go straight to a four-year college, or you could attend a community college and then transfer.</p>

<p>I am inclined to agree with katliamom that the community college route may not be your best option. Community colleges are great if:

  1. You want to earn a credential that will lead to a job very quickly. (e.g. a one-semester EMT certificate or a two-year accounting degree)
  2. You do not qualify for much financial aid and want to save as much money as you can before you attend a more expensive 4-year university.
  3. Your high school record has some blemishes and needs polishing before you can be a competitive applicant at your target universities. </p>

<p>However, as katliamon said, financial aid for transfer applicants (including domestic transfer applicants) is in short supply. In particular, many of the transfer admission agreements between community colleges and their state public universities - which may be great for state residents - might be too expensive for an out-of-state student.</p>

<p>You might receive more financial aid if you apply as a first-year applicant to 4-year universities, including private universities. Private universities might have higher “sticker prices” than public universities but they also award more financial aid. The selective private colleges in particular are rich enough to follow a “need-blind” admissions policy: applicants are admitted regardless of their ability to pay, and are offered sufficient financial aid to let them attend. (Though some colleges have a much more generous understanding of “financial need” than others…)</p>

<p>There are some financial aid calculators online that might give you an idea of how much aid you might expect, but applying for need-based aid is always rolling the dice. If you’d like more security, you could apply for merit-based scholarships, though that would require that you attend a university “below your league.” Several universities guarantee full-tuition scholarships to students with a 90th percentile SAT or ACT score, for example.</p>

<p>In the end the best strategy is probably mixed: apply to several universities with need-based aid and a few with merit-based aid, and maybe a community college as a backup plan. Then you can compare offers before you decide which to attend.</p>

<p>If you’d like to learn more about the financial aid process (e.g. how to locate universities with academic scholarships), you might get some good advice here: [Financial</a> Aid & Scholarships - College Confidential](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/]Financial”>Financial Aid and Scholarships - College Confidential Forums)</p>

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That’s a great GPA! American colleges will care about what classes you have taken (were they the most rigorous classes available to you? how advanced are they compared to American high school classes?), how you compare to your classmates (pretty well if that 4.0 GPA is any indication), and whether your test scores (SAT or ACT) are in line with your high school grades. </p>

<p>Most American colleges would be content with, “got highest grades in the most rigorous courseload available” and not care so much about how advanced your courses actually were. That’s because the American high school curriculum is not standardized and colleges have adjusted to catering to students from a wide variety of backgrounds: there are remedial classes for students from weaker-than-average backgrounds and the better-prepared students are allowed to skip the introductory classes. </p>

<p>However, a small number of tippy top universities do impose very high minimum requirements for admission. MIT, for example, expects that their applicants have taken calculus in high school. If you wonder whether your high school work is sufficient to qualify, you can email the admissions office and ask.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>Thank you all for the help! It’s worked greatly to take away some of the doubts I’ve had.</p>

<p>I do have a passport and I do have dual residency in this country and the US, so I don’t believe I will be considered an international student in at least that sense. Also, thank you for clearing up the definition of what an international student actually is, barium, as I’ve been confused about it for awhile.</p>

<p>Regardless of whether I choose to attend a public/private university or community college, I plan on (trying to, anyway) acquiring a job and some stability before I jump headlong into my higher education, so perhaps I will be able to escape out-of-state tuition fees after all. Then again, maybe financial aid favors students who have just graduated high school? In which case I guess I’ll be screwed after all. :P</p>

<p>I’ve read that it’s possible to take an SAT outside of a classroom environment as long as you pay a fee, and that’s probably what I’m going to have to do, as to my knowledge they don’t administer the SAT or any similar tests here.</p>

<p>You’ve all been a great help, and I appreciate it so much. Thanks again.</p>

<p>If you have money, go to a CC in California and transfer to UC as junior. It’s pretty easy except for UCB and UCLA.</p>

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There’s a school in Montevideo, Uruguay that administers the SATs and ACT. If you live far away from Montevideo and want to have a separate test arranged for you, please note that Collegeboard puts more restrictions on international test locations. </p>

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In a way it actually does: all of your personal savings are supposed to be used for college before you get need-based financial aid. For example, if you worked for a year and saved $10,000, you would get $10,000 less financial aid than if you had applied with $0 in personal savings straight out of high school. </p>

<p>On the other hand, if the extra income would allow you to attend college without financial aid, then it might be a good investment after all. Your personal savings should also be irrelevant for academic scholarships, and might help you pay for the leftover cost after scholarships.</p>

<p>One more thing: if you do end up working in the US before you apply to college, arrange your school reports and teacher recommendations before you leave Uruguay. Unless you are attending an American school abroad, your teachers will probably need some guidance with the forms and it will be easier if you are there in person to talk them through.</p>

<p>Sorry for the lack of a response, I’ve not been around for the last couple of days to check this thread.</p>

<p>Thanks again for your help, everyone.</p>

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<p>Thanks for the advice.</p>

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<p>I didn’t know that. I’ll have to check into it.</p>

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<p>I’m pretty sure I know what you’re saying, but just for clarification: you mean I should have all of my school records and such on hand when I leave Uruguay, and that I should help my teachers fill out recommendation forms before I go to avoid any paperwork problems later on?</p>

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Yes, that’s what I meant. I apologize for not expressing myself clearly the first time. </p>

<p>Remember to get multiple copies of every document with original signatures - one set for each college you apply to.</p>